Are The Klitschkos Some of The Worst Heavyweight Champions Of All Time?

[KBRO]

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Whatever you say cheerleader!! :bukkake:

If I'm a cheerleader instead of a fan who's very informed then what does that make you..... exactly the opposite of that.. You always cite Lewis' waist line as his worst ever form yet trash most of Klitschko's comp for going to the same buffet line Lewis was on... how about we throw Lewis into the poor competition Vitali has faced.. makes sense to me as it's your logic... not mine.

[-Antonio-]

The way we rank heavyweights is a damn joke. Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson being ranked in the top 5-10 is laughable. Those guys may have been tougher, may have fought in a more grueling type of era, but boxing as a sport has evolved. Marciano would not be a heavyweight let alone an effective one. He'd probably be a Light heavyweight.

Joe Louis fought a bunch of bums for 10 years. He struggled against Billy Conn, lost to Max Schmeling because he couldn't defend a right hand. Yes he was great, yes he was dominant. Did he really beat better fighters than Wlad and Vitali though? I say no.

[KO'er]

They fought in a weak era, and were boring, so IMO they are some of the worse heavyweight titlists.

[KBRO]

Weak era is in the eye of the beholder.... past greats faced weak opposition too. The Klitschko's are some of the strongest heavyweights that ever lived.... the fact that we have people on these forums thinking heavyweights of the past with a major size disadvantage can compete is hysterical.


I'd like to see Smokin' Joe come through a Klitschko jab.. Joe Louis or Marciano try to get inside? Fat chance...truth be told ONLY 2 fighters have ever gotten through the Klitschko jab...



Lewis & Sanders.... both had exceptional traits to do so... most of the past greats have no such thing.. Holyfield would struggle & get hit a lot as he would attempt to get inside all night long with minimal success.. Tyson would be hitting air & wouldn't even close the gap without facing a jab or right hand..



Foreman would have a shot against Wlad if he lands but Vitali would tag him all night long as he's the bigger man... Bowe would be competitive as he could fight inside & out & was a superheavy but he was way too easy to hit. Lewis & Sanders Bowe & ALI (because of exceptional speed & delivery of punches).. everyone else is at a size & strength disadvantage & please let's stop with the new training regime & nutrition.. you"ll still be the same size regardless.

[JAB5239]

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If I'm a cheerleader instead of a fan who's very informed then what does that make you..... exactly the opposite of that.. You always cite Lewis' waist line as his worst ever form yet trash most of Klitschko's comp for going to the same buffet line Lewis was on... how about we throw Lewis into the poor competition Vitali has faced.. makes sense to me as it's your logic... not mine.

Exactly!!! Difference from Lewis being in the worst ever shape and still winning compared to the rest of Vits buffet boys is he had great talent and will to win unlike almost all the rest of Vittles comp. I appreciate you making my point!

[JAB5239]

The way we rank heavyweights is a damn joke. Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson being ranked in the top 5-10 is laughable. Those guys may have been tougher, may have fought in a more grueling type of era, but boxing as a sport has evolved. Marciano would not be a heavyweight let alone an effective one. He'd probably be a Light heavyweight.

Joe Louis fought a bunch of bums for 10 years. He struggled against Billy Conn, lost to Max Schmeling because he couldn't defend a right hand. Yes he was great, yes he was dominant. Did he really beat better fighters than Wlad and Vitali though? I say no.

Ranking fighters on who they fought and when they fought them is how historians rank, taking h2h into little account. You can only beat who is in front of you. If your era is poor and competition spread out because of bogus alphabet rankings a fighter will suffer, especially when those contenders show no propensity to prove themselves against one another. If you fought in an era where there was only one top 10 and you were repeatedly forced to fight the best who were willing to prove themselves you're going to benefit. Makes perfect sense really.

[KBRO]

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Exactly!!! Difference from Lewis being in the worst ever shape and still winning compared to the rest of Vits buffet boys is he had great talent and will to win unlike almost all the rest of Vittles comp. I appreciate you making my point!

The Klitschko's... Holyfield.. Haye they come in shape every time out.. they don't use excuses when they perform badly (well sometimes they cite there toe) Point being that's the shape you were through no one's fault but your own.. everyone knows that the cut saved Lewis' hide except you.. he was on his way to getting destroyed otherwise.. I wouldn't be proud of such a performance. Klitschko had a major handicap for 3.5 rds & still fought Lewis evenly from the point of the cut outlanding & throwing more punches.. pre cut... it was Klitschko schooling him.




I find it hysterical that most claim if Lewis was in normal shape & a few years younger he'd have turned the tables.. he couldn't outbox Klitschko with half his eyelid dangling from it's socket.. how is he going to outbox him with 5 less lbs or 3 less years.. when there's NO one that has EVER come close to outboxing him in a ring.... you're all laughable to me.. that was the real Lennox Lewis in the ring with him that night.


No other form of Lewis could've done anything differently. Klitschko BEATS everyone to the punch NO EXCEPTIONS.. his ENTIRE BOXING resume states so 47 fighters have tried to beat him to the punch & couldn't.. that's your reality.




YOU'LL knock HIM THE f out BEFORE you ever think of outboxing him & that hasn't come close to happening unless you consider his 2 Tko LOSSES as run of the mill stoppages when we all know they weren't.. 12 rds to 3 & HALF of those rds were fought with a major physical handicap & he still broke even with both fighters at there best... that speaks volumes on his ability in the ring

[SN!PER]

So, Wladimir's jab is his most-prized weapon. Compubox says he landed 87 jabs in his last fight. By comparison, against his most elusive opponent, David Haye, he landed 105 jabs. Why the lack of firepower? Is he losing his fighting instinct?

Here's some real heavyweight jabbing.

[LacedUp]

The way we rank heavyweights is a damn joke. Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson being ranked in the top 5-10 is laughable. Those guys may have been tougher, may have fought in a more grueling type of era, but boxing as a sport has evolved. Marciano would not be a heavyweight let alone an effective one. He'd probably be a Light heavyweight.

Joe Louis fought a bunch of bums for 10 years. He struggled against Billy Conn, lost to Max Schmeling because he couldn't defend a right hand. Yes he was great, yes he was dominant. Did he really beat better fighters than Wlad and Vitali though? I say no.

So what if he would have been a light heavyweight today? He was a heavyweight in his day and beat some great fighters, albeit some were past their prime. Marciano was great because he took on everyone who wanted to fight and knocked them all out - bar a few. He came to fight not to grap and hold and jab before the opposition were dead tired from already being 20-30 pounds lighter than the champions.

Are they the same fighter? You can't put their resume together. Take them seperately and you will see that Louis dominated an era by himself, and he may have struggled with Conn - but what happened in the end? What happened when Wlad struggled with a journeyman and got KOd? and KO'd by a golfer and a guy who wasn't even in the top ten?

Similarly, Vitali struggled with Byrd and then quit on his stool - whereas someone like Marciano fought with a broken jaw - and fought through the pain to knock his guy out. Do you see the difference?

Joe Louis arguably had the best arsenal of any heavyweight in history, and he actually beat the reigning heavyweight champion and defended it more than any other guy out there.

[LacedUp]

The Klitschko's... Holyfield.. Haye they come in shape every time out.. they don't use excuses when they perform badly (well sometimes they cite there toe) Point being that's the shape you were through no one's fault but your own.. everyone knows that the cut saved Lewis' hide except you.. he was on his way to getting destroyed otherwise.. I wouldn't be proud of such a performance. Klitschko had a major handicap for 3.5 rds & still fought Lewis evenly from the point of the cut outlanding & throwing more punches.. pre cut... it was Klitschko schooling him.




I find it hysterical that most claim if Lewis was in normal shape & a few years younger he'd have turned the tables.. he couldn't outbox Klitschko with half his eyelid dangling from it's socket.. how is he going to outbox him with 5 less lbs or 3 less years.. when there's NO one that has EVER come close to outboxing him in a ring.... you're all laughable to me.. that was the real Lennox Lewis in the ring with him that night.


No other form of Lewis could've done anything differently. Klitschko BEATS everyone to the punch NO EXCEPTIONS.. his ENTIRE BOXING resume states so 47 fighters have tried to beat him to the punch & couldn't.. that's your reality.




YOU'LL knock HIM THE f out BEFORE you ever think of outboxing him & that hasn't come close to happening unless you consider his 2 Tko LOSSES as run of the mill stoppages when we all know they weren't.. 12 rds to 3 & HALF of those rds were fought with a major physical handicap & he still broke even with both fighters at there best... that speaks volumes on his ability in the ring

You are really exaggerating Klitschko's dominance in the fight. It was 4-2 but you could argue for a 3-3 score at the time of stoppage- Lewis was beginning to pick up the pace after the much fresher Vitali had early success.