Comments Thread For: Booth: Froch Has Deteriorated, A Return is Ill-Advised

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many stawart, jim watt, steve bunce, graham Houston, jimmy iowle, Dan Rafael, allan green, Big ragu and even the ring side press row scored it to froch.

I scored it 4 rounds to froch.

So no robbery now **** off.

I don't know half the guys you listed (outside of Stewart and Rafael), but I'll presume most of them are Brits. Anyway, I really doubt Stewart would score the fight for Froch, unless you have a source you're probably making up ****.

Don't try to revise history, the fight was a blatant robbery and Froch should have another L on his record.

Here are some press scores:
117-110 Dirrell, Bad Left Hook (/2009/10/17/1089417/dirrell-gets-raw-deal-in)
117-110 Dirrell, USAToday

Boxingwatchers.com:
Spartan117: 118-109 Dirrell
Uatu: 116-111 Dirrell
Franchise: 117-110 Dirrell

117-110 Dirrell, Bloody Elbow (/2009/10/17/1089419/super-six-tournament-ruined-carl)

114-113 Dirrell, Top Class Boxing (British website)

Also, most people on this site were complaining about a robbery at the time of the fight:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316515&page=67

This is why people say boxing is dying as a sport. Direll clearly won, Froch won no more then 4 rounds. I actually gave him a round I don't think I should have. Froch didn't land enough, didn't put the pressure.

showtime trying to save face....this was a highway robbery.......no fights at home for froch in the supersix ever again....

how did froch edge it? he barely landed 10 punches the whole night.
the super 6 is a joke... just watch it for the match ups now.

bad judging..
Dirrell did enough to win even in Froch's hometown...

Majority if not all the people that thought Froch won are from the UK or a fan of MMA.

though im rooting for froch, i think dirrell won that fight

I can't believe they robbed Dirrell in a tournament designed to make boxing look good. Jesus wtf.

[rzagza]

There's no way Froch is gonna retire. None.

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Terms like talent, toughness, grit don't mean anything in reality, that is mere perception and attempted description. All that really counts is getting the job done in the ring - actions speak louder than empty words.

Froch gets the job done, again and again, against the best, back to back home and away. He entertains while doing it and then asks for more.

No ducking, no vacations, no travel phobia, no fake retirements, no hiding, no silly split demands, no clinching, no running - just the real deal.



You're going to complain about Froch not fighting an opponent he's already fought, about him not moving up in weight, about him not fighting no-names. Just silliness. His record speaks for itself.

Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward, Bute, Kessler, Groves...next Groves II? Golovkin? Chavez? Ward II?

Name me one HOF'r Froch has beaten and we can end this lil discussion.

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Name me one HOF'r Froch has beaten and we can end this lil discussion.

We're not into Halls of Fame this side of the pond.

Moreover, many of those who vote on the panel aren't even sure what it stands for so I'm not sure what value you perceive it to hold.

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These Frochidiots kill me talking about how great his resume is. Let's look at it for what it is; Pascal was a decent win. But Pascal is a B level fighter who happen to fight well against Dawson and proceeded to shot his mediocrity losing to a sr citizen. Abraham. What's his record about middleweight again? Glen Johnson, old, best days clearly behind him. Dirrell. Hasn't beaten anyone relevant and IMO outboxed Froch and deserved the decision. Ward. Treated Froch like an amateur while fighting with one arm. Kessler, who's shot beat Froch. Then damn near beat him in a rematch when he was even more shot. Bute, Froch's best win. Not exactly like he's beaten anyone relevant though. Unless of course you consider Andrade something special. And it took him a hometown ref and a rematch to get that one right. Taylor, shot to hell. Froch had to come off the deck and was down on all cards when JT's shot beard let him down. Grooves. The jury is still out on him. But he kicked Froch's ass and the bum had a hometown ref bail him how. Have I forgotten anyone?

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We're not into Halls of Fame this side of the pond.

Moreover, many of those who vote on the panel aren't even sure what it stands for so I'm not sure what value you perceive it to hold.

Sounds like a pretty fancy way of saying Froch has never beaten a great fighter.

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Man I am finally glad to see people realize how overrated Froch as always been. He is mediocre at best, I mean to be perfectly honest, the ONLY dominating performance he has had against top competition was the stoppage of Bute. Read it and weep:

Pascal - Fought on even terms and got a UK decision
Taylor - Got dropped, and lost 11.5 of 12 rounds, won with 17 seconds left
Dirrell - Got a UK decision and should have lost
Kessler 1 - Lost a decision
Johnson - Won decision in a highly competitive fight that could have gone either way
Ward - Not only lost, but got utterly schooled and embarrassed
Kessler 2 - Won a competitive decision
Groves - Got dropped, hurt several times and won by a BS ref stoppage.

How can anyone that is not ******ed call him world class seriously? Does that read like the resume of a true elite talent? 3 of those should be losses for him basically. Cmon man he is so slow and untalented its absurd. His chin and toughness is the only reason he can even exist at this level. His skillset is a joke. Mark my word, if he fights Ward again, Groves again, or moves to 175 he is getting stopped in his next fight, you heard it here.

Froch is just like Margarito and more recently Matthysse. Mediocre talents who overachieve. Since the world is made up of ordinary people. Ordinary people like to see other ordinary people achieve great things. Therefore they gravitate to them mediocre talents who overachieve and overrate their accomplishments.

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These Frochidiots kill me talking about how great his resume is. Let's look at it for what it is; Pascal was a decent win. But Pascal is a B level fighter who happen to fight well against Dawson and proceeded to shot his mediocrity losing to a sr citizen. Abraham. What's his record about middleweight again? Glen Johnson, old, best days clearly behind him. Dirrell. Hasn't beaten anyone relevant and IMO outboxed Froch and deserved the decision. Ward. Treated Froch like an amateur while fighting with one arm. Kessler, who's shot beat Froch. Then damn near beat him in a rematch when he was even more shot. Bute, Froch's best win. Not exactly like he's beaten anyone relevant though. Unless of course you consider Andrade something special. And it took him a hometown ref and a rematch to get that one right. Taylor, shot to hell. Froch had to come off the deck and was down on all cards when JT's shot beard let him down. Grooves. The jury is still out on him. But he kicked Froch's ass and the bum had a hometown ref bail him how. Have I forgotten anyone?

You can do that with anyone's record but here's the thing - Froch isn't ducking anyone. He's keeping them coming, back to back, home and away winning almost all of them. He can't do any more than that.

Sounds like a pretty fancy way of saying Froch has never beaten a great fighter.

I'm saying HOF is very arbitrary. Also, it would be cool if George's surname was "Grooves" :-)

Froch is just like Margarito and more recently Matthysse. Mediocre talents who overachieve. Since the world is made up of ordinary people. Ordinary people like to see other ordinary people achieve great things. Therefore they gravitate to them mediocre talents who overachieve and overrate their accomplishments.

Alternatively, boxing fans like to watch boxers take on the best consistently and give them respect when they come out on top.

Well decent boxing fans anyway.

[Young Stribling]

What a silly thing to say. Just because Froch is awkward doesn't mean he isn't good! There are plenty of fighters who were either awkward or not very technical and still excellent/good fighters: Hamed, Pacquiao, Jessie James Leija, etc...

Froch has but one style, and that is 'Robo-Carl'. Robo-Carl is usually accompianed to his scraps by 'Rachel the Shrill', Rachel being the vocal barometer as to how Carl is faring at any given moment. Looking past his arm punching ability and square stance, I find that Carl's greatest asset, besides his mouth, is the fact that he has something in him that will not be denied. Call it will, tenacity, "no quit in him" whatever you'd like, but it's something special and maybe it's something that all good fighters have, but Senor Robo has it in spades.

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You can do that with anyone's record but here's the thing - Froch isn't ducking anyone. He's keeping them coming, back to back, home and away winning almost all of them. He can't do any more than that.



I'm saying HOF is very arbitrary. Also, it would be cool if George's surname was "Grooves" :-)



Alternatively, boxing fans like to watch boxers take on the best consistently and give them respect when they come out on top.

Well decent boxing fans anyway.

You can't do that to any fighter, at least not the great ones.

Floyd: Genero Hernanez, Chico Corrales, Castillo, DLH, Hatton, JMM, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo. All are HOF, borderline HOF, or were THEE best in the division when Floyd fought them. And he did it without losing.

Pacquiao: Barrera, Morales, JMM, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Bradley. IMO all HOF with the exception of Bradley, who's too early in his career to determine.

Calzage: Decade long dominance of super middleweight division puncuated by outclassing Kessler. Moved up and beat first ballot HOF'r Hopkins for light heavyweight title.

These are examples of great fighters. Now you can pull all the lil fanatical fanboy bull**** of this guy ducked this guy or this guy was boring or this guy went on vacation. But there's not a single senseable, knowledgeable fight fan that could argue that these guys resumes are suspect and aren't legitimately great. Same can't be said about Froch.