Comments Thread For: Booth: Froch Has Deteriorated, A Return is Ill-Advised

[CraigM]

Why was there no standing 8 count in round 9?

In championship bouts both the IBF and WBA don't actually have standing 8's mate.

http://www.secondsout.com/legends/encyclopedia/championship-rules

In the whole 9th round Froch was fouling with punches to the back of the head and didn't get warned once for it in this round... and Groves was actually pushing Froch backwards, I'm not sure how pushing a fighter backwards counts as a TKO.

[yoz]

In championship bouts both the IBF and WBA don't actually have standing 8's mate.

http://www.secondsout.com/legends/encyclopedia/championship-rules

In the whole 9th round Froch was fouling with punches to the back of the head and didn't get warned once for it in this round... and Groves was actually pushing Froch backwards, I'm not sure how pushing a fighter backwards counts as a TKO.

You're right, Craig.

However, the referee CAN give a standing count at his discretion. Plenty of examples in World Title fights

[Mr. Philadel]

Rematch with Groves aint happening. Fight Hopkins or retire.

That's what I'm talking about

[Ham Porter]

But those "holes" in Floyd's resume can be easily disproved. Hernandez was undefeated at 130 and still a P4P fighter.

No, he wasn't.

In DLH's last real fight, he fought the middleweight champ pretty much even before getting stopped with a single shot.

And that was, what....three years before he fought Mayweather? And no, he didn't compete on even terms with Hopkins; he was walked down and comprehensively outboxed in a snoozefest.

Hatton was probably naturally heavier than Floyd and considered the stronger fighter going in.

And Hatton's previous and only outing at that weight was a razor thin, disputed decision over a solid but unremarkable opponent in Luis Collazo.

Cotto was the top ranked jr middleweight when Floyd fought him.

But based off of what? Beating Yuri Foreman and two unranked, completely shopworn fighters in Mayorga and Margarito?

JMM has seemed quite adequate as a welter against everyone not named Floyd Mayweather.

He also appeared to have prepared and conditioned himself better for his other outings at 147, as opposed to simply jumping up two weight classes in a matter of a couple of months against an elite fighter.

Mosley was coming off one of the best wins of his career and pretty much the concensus P4P #3.

He was also coming off of a year and a half layoff.

Canelo was beaten in a fashion that makes it seem fairly difficult to believe that two pounds would have helped much.

The sort of performance Canelo had doesn't exactly support the notion that he benefited much from the catchweight. Quite the opposite, actually.

[Ham Porter]

Pacquiao: Barrera, Morales, JMM, DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Bradley. IMO all HOF with the exception of Bradley, who's too early in his career to determine.

Seems a bit weird that you'd discredit Froch's wins over Taylor and Kessler on the basis that they were "shot" but then turn around and big up Pacquiao's wins over Morales, or even worse and inexplicably, De La Hoya.


I really don't even need to use illogical or irrational thinking to trash and diminish the De La Hoya win.

[Hilis]

I completely agree that the stoppage of the fight was extremely premature, but I'm baffled by all the talk of Froch being hurt "on several occasions." Yes, Groves caught him cold in the first round, and yes, he was winning the jab war, but Froch was never "hurt" or in danger of being stopped.

[theboy_racer]

I completely agree that the stoppage of the fight was extremely premature, but I'm baffled by all the talk of Froch being hurt "on several occasions." Yes, Groves caught him cold in the first round, and yes, he was winning the jab war, but Froch was never "hurt" or in danger of being stopped.

Nothing was stopping Froch winning after round 6

Groves was tiring and fighting a ****** fight in the later rounds, only gonna be one winner and it was the Cobra

[techliam]

You're right, Craig.

However, the referee CAN give a standing count at his discretion. Plenty of examples in World Title fights

Example? They aren't allowed to do this. The only way I know this can happen, is if the athletic commission of that country has ordered it to happen. The ABC and BBBC do not allow for standing 8 counts in championship bouts.

However, if the fighter in question is leaning against the ropes, that can count as a knockdown

[MDPopescu]

In championship bouts both the IBF and WBA don't actually have standing 8's mate.

http://www.secondsout.com/legends/encyclopedia/championship-rules

In the whole 9th round Froch was fouling with punches to the back of the head and didn't get warned once for it in this round... and Groves was actually pushing Froch backwards, I'm not sure how pushing a fighter backwards counts as a TKO.

Froch's very last punch was a right hook to the back of the head (the ref was on the other side, he grabbed Groves and stopped the fight)...