Joe Calzaghe vs Vitali Klitschko:Resumes

[Boxing Goat]

yeah he cured his fear when jones was an old bag of bones. oh yeah he also flew to germany to fight mario veit but that was a temporary cure perhaps?

I'm not so convinced, he may have taken a bus to the fairy and then a car or train. Lol

[Boxing Goat]

^^ I had the Ring magazine sister publication - "World Championship Boxing" where he expressly pursues the title shot with Roy and it was a public statement. I didn't believe Calzaghe was worth the trouble and neither did Team Roy at the time. Now Roy travels to Russia for paydays and gets punished and embarrassed ~ damn shame he didn't make a media event of fighting in the UK ten years ago and silence Calzaghe as I believe he would have. I cannot hold it against Calzaghe that the top champions of 2000-2003 didn't really want to face him when they were at the peak because I believe he would have accepted any offer they and HBO Boxing would have made.

Now when Roy is no longer on top, he is forced to travel to earn a living. Before, he was the attraction. 1997-2004 Roy was the star. Period.

[techliam]

Here you are, just follow the timeline and you will have your answer.

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/fea...onship-lineage

Is ESPN universal now? I didnt know they spoke for everyone

[Boxing Goat]

Is ESPN universal now? I didnt know they spoke for everyone

Lol, no, it's the ring belt and it's experts opinions over yours.

Me+Ring+experts>You.

[techliam]

Lol, no, it's the ring belt and it's experts opinions over yours.

Me+Ring+experts>You.

I wouldnt argue with the fact Vitali had the RING belt, he sure did. He wasn't regarded lineal universally however, no matter if you claim "experts" are on your side or not. It's split, and therefore not that legitimate. It's not as if it takes anything from Vitali, he's had a great career in my eyes and wish him the best.

If it makes it easier, compare Martinez' lineal reign to Vitali's. There's no split as to who the lineal middleweight champion is.

Besides, if you want to admire the RING belt, go ahead

[Derranged]

calzaghe has some decent names on his list - guys who have gone on to do great things or did great things in the past. Some like jones etc should not be counted as he was shot. but just looking at the names ...
Eubank,(past his best obv) Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, bika etc and compare it to the best wins on vits resume and it's clear who has the better record.

(But of course with some people you could compare ali's resume to vits and they would claim that a win over Herbie Hide is better than a win over George Foreman so really it's not worth discussing it with them)

A better question would be comparing vits resume to sven otke rather than calzaghe ... of course vits fans would go crazy at that but if you actually look it it his career is far more in line with somebody like that. Paper champ never beat the best in the division beat a load of contenders etc etc

You are incorrect.

Vitali's loss to Lewis was better than Ali's win over Foreman. The Herbie Hide win was better than both of Ali's wins over Frazier combined. Everyone knows that.

[$Bullsfam$]

Vital wouldnt have ducked Glenn Johnson 3x or cherrypicked Hopkins and Jones when they lost their speed


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[Boxing Goat]

I wouldnt argue with the fact Vitali had the RING belt, he sure did. He wasn't regarded lineal universally however, no matter if you claim "experts" are on your side or not. It's split, and therefore not that legitimate. It's not as if it takes anything from Vitali, he's had a great career in my eyes and wish him the best.

If it makes it easier, compare Martinez' lineal reign to Vitali's. There's no split as to who the lineal middleweight champion is.

Besides, if you want to admire the RING belt, go ahead

Lol, you do know how lineage is re-established after the actual lineal champ retires, right? Please tell me you do, otherwise this conversation is for not. The way you are looking at it is that he lost to Lennox and lost the oportunity to carry lineage, I assume. Well, if that's the case, the heavyweight lineage ended a long ass time ago.

Oh, and I admire the true heavyweight champ after Lennox, which is Vitali. Obviously. I'm not sure what you don't get about that really. It's not such a tough thing to comprehend, is it?

[Boxing Goat]

You are incorrect.

Vitali's loss to Lewis was better than Ali's win over Foreman. The Herbie Hide win was better than both of Ali's wins over Frazier combined. Everyone knows that.

Yea, and Ali's loss to Frazier after his comeback, with a tuneup, was better than Vitali's close call win over Sam Peter in his comeback without a tuneup.

I see what you mean man, I mean really

[Boxing Goat]

Vital wouldnt have ducked Glenn Johnson 3x or cherrypicked Hopkins and Jones when they lost their speed


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Yea, but he was willing to face that bum that was Lennox Lewis on ten days notice in the USA though huh