Joe Calzaghe vs Vitali Klitschko:Resumes

[ShamrockXpress]

Vitali is clearly the best heavyweight of this generation.

He only relinquished the ring belt on retirement.

But he has never proved himself the best of the division. He vacated the title and then wladimir stepped up and proved himself the number 1. That would be like saying if lennox lewis came back and beat adamek or arreola he would be the division number 1 because he retired with the ring belt. Maybe vitali could have been the best, but by defeating peter, byrd, austin, brock, ibragimov, chagaev, thompson, haye, povetkin wlad has cleared out a division proving himself the number 1, leaving only the johnsons, gomez's and briggs of the division for vitali.

[Boxing Goat]

But he has never proved himself the best of the division. He vacated the title and then wladimir stepped up and proved himself the number 1. That would be like saying if lennox lewis came back and beat adamek or arreola he would be the division number 1 because he retired with the ring belt. Maybe vitali could have been the best, but by defeating peter, byrd, austin, brock, ibragimov, chagaev, thompson, haye, povetkin wlad has cleared out a division proving himself the number 1, leaving only the johnsons, gomez's and briggs of the division for vitali.

Really, lol. He obliterated the #2 heavyweight in the world in his comeback fight. Then, he was considered 2nd to wladimir only. Even if you ignore the fact that he knocked out two guys that stopped wlad, he dominated and stopped peter who knocked down wlad at least one legit time and gave him one of his toughest fights. All that aside, vitali was the second best heavyweight in 2009 when wlad won the ring title making it pretty much bogus. Anyone with any sense knows vitali is the best heavy of this generation, he just doesnt have the best resume because of the retirement for 4 years

[Spray_resistant]

Vitali would ko every single Calzaghe opponent including Joe himself do we need to take a look at FACTS?

But seriously Joe has the better resume.

[ShamrockXpress]

Really, lol. He obliteratdd the #2 heavyweight in the world in his comeback fight. Then, he was considered 2nd to wladimir only. Even if you ignore the fact that he knocked out two guys that stopped wlad, he dominated and stopped peter who knocked down wlad at least one legit time and gave him one of his toughest fights. All that aside, vitali was the second best heavyweight in 2009 when wlad won the ring title making it pretty much bogus. Anyone with any sense knows vitali is the best heavy of this generation, he just doesnt have the best resume because of the retirement for 4 years

Ok your whole rant aside, you have just said he doesnt have the best resume. I said he could have been the best heavyweight but he doesn't have the resume to back it up. Thanks for backing up my arguement.

[Boxing Goat]

Ok your whole rant aside, you have just said he doesnt have the best resume. I said he could have been the best heavyweight but he doesn't have the resume to back it up. Thanks for backing up my arguement.

Hey genius, being the best fighter has nothing to do with the resume.
Want an example? Rigondeaux and donaire. Nonitos resume is ten times better but hes clearly not a better fighter. End of discussion unless you feel the need to embarrass yourself some more.

[Daddy T]

calzaghe has some decent names on his list - guys who have gone on to do great things or did great things in the past. Some like jones etc should not be counted as he was shot. but just looking at the names ...
Eubank,(past his best obv) Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, bika etc and compare it to the best wins on vits resume and it's clear who has the better record.

(But of course with some people you could compare ali's resume to vits and they would claim that a win over Herbie Hide is better than a win over George Foreman so really it's not worth discussing it with them)

A better question would be comparing vits resume to sven otke rather than calzaghe ... of course vits fans would go crazy at that but if you actually look it it his career is far more in line with somebody like that. Paper champ never beat the best in the division beat a load of contenders etc etc

[techliam]

Weve been over this a million times, he was the lineal champ after lewis retired and he beat sanders.

Notice I said universal, you know, the legitimate lineage. You may think he had a lineage, which is fine, but it wasn't universally accepted so.

[ShamrockXpress]

Hey genius, being the best fighter has nothing to do with the resume.
Want an example? Rigondeaux and donaire. Nonitos resume is ten times better but hes clearly not a better fighter. End of discussion unless you feel the need to embarrass yourself some more.

Has nothing to do with resume? Ok wilder is better than vitali , it doesn't matter that he hasn't beaten anyone, he looks good beating the people he has. Rigondeux is the better fighter, but only because he schooled Donaire. Has vitali schooled wladimir?

Anyway I don't see how any of this is relevant considering this thread is specifically about resumes. You admitted vitali doesn't have a great resume, end of discussion.

P.s vitali is one of my favirote all time fighters, has been since he destroyed hide and it kills me that he was injured and missed his prime years. But his resume is what it is.

[Young Herschel]

The only wins worth a crap were old eubank, one dimensional lacy, prime kess, old hopkins and roy jones' ghost. Vitali beat the #2 guy in the division twice and gave the lineal undisputed champ the fight of his life alll while running up a 15-2 title fight record in boxings most storied division. Calzaghe fought too long against no hopers in his back yard in a bastard division.

I cannot penalise Joe because no of the prime p4p champions would take him up on his numerous challenges until they began to decline; he wanted to fight Roy and Benard back in 2000-2003 but they really didn't want the challenges.

I loved the prime p4p Roy but even I feel he had no desire to fight in the UK or overseas at all in his prime . . . and neither did Benard back ten to twelve years ago despite the money and media it would have earned over in Wales.

[daggum]

I cannot penalise Joe because no of the prime p4p champions would take him up on his numerous challenges until they began to decline; he wanted to fight Roy and Benard back in 2000-2003 but they really didn't want the challenges.

I loved the prime p4p Roy but even I feel he had no desire to fight in the UK or overseas at all in his prime . . . and neither did Benard back ten to twelve years ago despite the money and media it would have earned over in Wales.

calzaghe wouldn't even fight ottke or glen johnson. how's fantasy land treating you? calzaghe was scared of flying lol!