Comments Thread For: Stevens Views Golovkin As An Overrated 'Hype Job'

[dray435]

After tonight I can see why people aren't very impressed. OH well hes still one of my faves and hed still beat the other guys at middleweight

Geeeeez, finally an honest critic!

[dray435]

Been watching boxing over 30 years? Must be part of that racist crew of yesteryear, eh dray?

My goodness now I am racist because I dont see exceptional skill and ability in golovkin? crap can I have an opinion based on fact without being labeled a racist? Because I don't exalt and glorify golovkin now I'm a racist? honestly i just don't see greatness or exceptional ability it is simply not there, I'm not a racist simply a realist.

[Foreign Soil]

My goodness now I am racist because I dont see exceptional skill and ability in golovkin? crap can I have an opinion based on fact without being labeled a racist? Because I don't exalt and glorify golovkin now I'm a racist? honestly i just don't see greatness or exceptional ability it is simply not there, I'm not a racist simply a realist.

That and your name is "dray". Just doing some investigative work as to why you're so upset.

[Vasyl’s dad]

murkaman=dray. they see the opposite of what everyone else sees.


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[dray435]

You're finished kidd

You don't believe that statement yourself, you're just hoping I will, but that wont happen either.

[!! Shawn]

The only difference is you guys are novices and green and couldn't tell a great fighter if he knocked you unconscious,I personally have been watching boxing for over 30 years and can identify a potentially great fighter just by watching him fight a few times I have seen golovkin fight a few times and there is nothing to suggest that he is or will ever be a great fighter.

Damn, so you must make you living betting on great fighters.

[Ravens Fan]

I thought you and others would wait on the outcome of the stevens vs golovkin fight to start voicing your opinions, but what was I off the mark about? I said if stevens could take his punch and land his own he had a chance of winning, stevens did neither he was hurt early and couldn't land his left hook because golovkin kept his right plastered to the side of his face and stevens appeared to want to quit when he couldn't get golovkin out of there early, but it was far from an impressive performance by golovkin having a wounded, green, clueless fighter in front of him but still was unable to get him out of there is proof positive that he doesn't know how to exploit golden opportunities when giving to him on a platter. Golovkin is skill deficient and just a very limited fighter himself he does not have an impressive or exceptional offense or defense which means he is just a decent fighter even his power is obviously overrated. The fact that other fighters perform well now does not mean that they didn't perform better in their earlier years in terms of speed, mobility, timing, etc, it is a proven scientific fact that the more a fighter ages and takes punishment the more there skills and abilities begin to decline, not even the medical and scientific community disagrees with that point.

And haglers mobility and quickness was obvious in his earlier years and I doubt the fact that his competition was not quite as good then dictates whether he was faster or slower, if your fast you're fast, if you're slow you're slow, it doesn't matter who you have in front of you and being a fan of marvins I know based on years of observation that the problem in the leonard fight was not just the fact that he was fighting in the orthodox stance which I believe hagler did only because he second guessed ray thinking that ray would be prepared for the southpaw stance so he did it to throw leonard off of his game but I agree it was the wrong strategy, but an obvious erosion of skill was the primary problem, I know the prime hagler and that fighter that fought leonard was not him, I don't know who that hagler was really but he certainly wasn't the fighter who beat sibson, or even hearns for that matter, leonard on the other hand was well rested and rejuvinated and actually engaged in mock fights for over a year in preparation for hagler.

And are you serious suggesting we are better off now then we were 60-70 years ago in terms of health? We may have made scientific and medical advances in this age but the environment is more polluted now than it has ever been the seas and oceans are full of toxic waste as well as the land, and the air is polluted and we breathe it in every day, drink it every day, and eat toxins and harmful substances in our food every day, most of those toxins are consumed by us through a polluted water supply and food chain, cattle are full of hormones, fish are full of mercury, etc, and that has a terrible impact on our overall health as a society, yes we have made advances in science and medicine but we are steadily declining in terms of environmental health and safety, something that has much more of a negative impact on the human population than almost anything else, a few advances in medicine here and there wont change that destructive fact and truth. Bernard Hopkins is the exception to the rule although I believe his longevity has more to do with his defensive style in that he knows how to fight with out taking to much punishment and he knows how to pick the right fighters to look good against most of his competition are b level fighters who are one dimensional and bernard simply knows how to exploit those flaws and lack of skill to make himself look better than he really is, although I still believe he is a great fighter because of what he has accomplished. Of course monzon would beat golovkin are you kidding me? please stop compairing this guy to all time greats he is exhibiting none of the intangibles of a great fighter being so limited in so many respects, he shouldn't be spoken of in the same sentence and based on what I am seeing he never will be, but he is an okay fighter.

I only mentioned Monzon to push your buttons because other than you no one is comparing GGG to Hagler or at this anyone else. You also want to debate the health of the planet when I really was trying to keep it in the context of boxing. But since you opened the door I will step in.

You make it sound like all the problems with pollution just started in the last few decades. When I can guarantee you that the air quality in the city of my birth is much better now than it was when places such as Beth Steel were pumping all kinds of crap into the air back in the 1940's and 50's. That was also when they were dumping all their crap straight into the Chesapeake Bay with no regards of the impact on anything but the bottom line. But this arguments belongs somewhere like possibly a Greenpeace forum and surely not on a boxing forum. With said I will touch on what else you said and try to refocus on boxing.

There is no doubt that they, who ever they may be, put strange additives in our foods. But this how I look at it. If anyone makes the choice they can eat as healthy as anyone that was eating the same foods before they were putting all the crap in it. How can they do it? Easy they shop at places such as Whole Foods. And while they eat healthy as they sip on their spring water they still benefit from the all the other advancements we as humans have made in medicine and various others things that now allow us to live longer. But enough of that now back to boxing.

I don't know how many time I have to say this but this is the last time I will. I have no doubt that the Hagler that fought Antoufermo was the not the same one that fought Leonard. I just don't agree with you that he was as washed up as you make it sound. It is as simple as that.

There is also no doubt that Hagler was slowing down but you had him with one foot in the grave when he fought Leonard. I guess since you believe you are the guardian of everything that is Hagler maybe making the excuses for him helps you deal with the fact that he did lose to Sugar Ray. See because unlike you I don't believe it was a robbery. Simply because it really was a close fight. But you are so biased I don't believe your brain allows you to see that as fact.

And how you don't understand that a fighter is going to look better in every way when he is fighting a fighter such as DC Walker at 2-11 than is when he fighting Roberto Duran is beyond me. If you really believe that you really should stop calling other forum members boxing ******* and possibly reevaluate your own boxing knowledge.

I have also read some of your earlier post and for what ever reason you seem to have a strong dislike for Russians. Whats up with that? You made a statement that no Russians would have ever beaten Hagler Duran and who ever else you mentioned, and you dare to call me presumptuous?

This is how I see the Russians, or should I say Soviets won there share of Olympic boxing medals as well as world amateur championships. And to think that they would not have had an affect on pro boxing if not for the limitations the Iron Curtain but on them just tells me how closed minded you are. I have no doubt that some of them would have been good enough to win titles as pros and it would have been interesting if that had happened.

As of now there are close to 30 fighters from former Soviet Bloc countries that are ranked by Ring Magazine. They are ranked from heavyweight down to jr. welterweight to exclude welterweight where there are none. I did not go below jr ww and by the way there are somewhere around 24 Americans ranked in the same divisions. I may be wrong but something tells that really annoys you as you day dream and wish you could turn back time.

In closing I will say this about GGG. He looked much better against Stevens than he did against Ouma. So it looks as if he is learning and getting better in the process regardless of how much you root against him. And as I said earlier I really hope that someday there really is need to compare GGG to Hagler and Monzon. Because I cannot see as anything else but good for the sport of boxing. Now I am done and I promised myself that I would not reply.

[samouraï]

The only difference is you guys are novices and green and couldn't tell a great fighter if he knocked you unconscious,I personally have been watching boxing for over 30 years and can identify a potentially great fighter just by watching him fight a few times I have seen golovkin fight a few times and there is nothing to suggest that he is or will ever be a great fighter.

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[dray435]

I only mentioned Monzon to push your buttons because other than you no one is comparing GGG to Hagler or at this anyone else. You also want to debate the health of the planet when I really was trying to keep it in the context of boxing. But since you opened the door I will step in.

You make it sound like all the problems with pollution just started in the last few decades. When I can guarantee you that the air quality in the city of my birth is much better now than it was when places such as Beth Steel were pumping all kinds of crap into the air back in the 1940's and 50's. That was also when they were dumping all their crap straight into the Chesapeake Bay with no regards of the impact on anything but the bottom line. But this arguments belongs somewhere like possibly a Greenpeace forum and surely not on a boxing forum. With said I will touch on what else you said and try to refocus on boxing.

There is no doubt that they, who ever they may be, put strange additives in our foods. But this how I look at it. If anyone makes the choice they can eat as healthy as anyone that was eating the same foods before they were putting all the crap in it. How can they do it? Easy they shop at places such as Whole Foods. And while they eat healthy as they sip on their spring water they still benefit from the all the other advancements we as humans have made in medicine and various others things that now allow us to live longer. But enough of that now back to boxing.

I don't know how many time I have to say this but this is the last time I will. I have no doubt that the Hagler that fought Antoufermo was the not the same one that fought Leonard. I just don't agree with you that he was as washed up as you make it sound. It is as simple as that.

There is also no doubt that Hagler was slowing down but you had him with one foot in the grave when he fought Leonard. I guess since you believe you are the guardian of everything that is Hagler maybe making the excuses for him helps you deal with the fact that he did lose to Sugar Ray. See because unlike you I don't believe it was a robbery. Simply because it really was a close fight. But you are so biased I don't believe your brain allows you to see that as fact.

And how you don't understand that a fighter is going to look better in every way when he is fighting a fighter such as DC Walker at 2-11 than is when he fighting Roberto Duran is beyond me. If you really believe that you really should stop calling other forum members boxing ******* and possibly reevaluate your own boxing knowledge.

I have also read some of your earlier post and for what ever reason you seem to have a strong dislike for Russians. Whats up with that? You made a statement that no Russians would have ever beaten Hagler Duran and who ever else you mentioned, and you dare to call me presumptuous?

This is how I see the Russians, or should I say Soviets won there share of Olympic boxing medals as well as world amateur championships. And to think that they would not have had an affect on pro boxing if not for the limitations the Iron Curtain but on them just tells me how closed minded you are. I have no doubt that some of them would have been good enough to win titles as pros and it would have been interesting if that had happened.

As of now there are close to 30 fighters from former Soviet Bloc countries that are ranked by Ring Magazine. They are ranked from heavyweight down to jr. welterweight to exclude welterweight where there are none. I did not go below jr ww and by the way there are somewhere around 24 Americans ranked in the same divisions. I may be wrong but something tells that really annoys you as you day dream and wish you could turn back time.

In closing I will say this about GGG. He looked much better against Stevens than he did against Ouma. So it looks as if he is learning and getting better in the process regardless of how much you root against him. And as I said earlier I really hope that someday there really is need to compare GGG to Hagler and Monzon. Because I cannot see as anything else but good for the sport of boxing. Now I am done and I promised myself that I would not reply.

Like I told you before and I wont tell you again the reason I brought up the comparison between hagler and golovkin is because I am almost certain the golovkin groupies with every win over b and c level fighters would eventually begin to compare the hype job and he is a hype job to an all time great in marvin hagler, so just in case I was making the point clear there is no comparison.

LOL Are you serious? the way to get around all the additives in food is to shop at whole foods and drink spring water, what world are you living in? do you know how expensive it is to shop at whole foods? what about poor people that are on food budgets and every dollars counts do you think they are going to spend 7 dollars for a loaf of bread as opposed 1.50 at a regular store? And what about the air do they package and sell that at whole foods also? You're obviously overlooking the obvious in an effort to win a debate. And you say the argument belongs on a greenpeace forum not on a boxing forum then why have you engaged in the debate from the very outset when you could have made that point from the very outset? Could it be they are really relevant points and your efforts to reduce them to the level of irrelevance are failing so now you choose dismiss the debate altogether?

And I never said hagler was on life support and oxygen those are your words I never uttered those words so don't put words into my mouth, I said hagler was a shell of himself and was not the hagler of old and that was clearly obvious to anyone who followed haglers career, and for you to suggest otherwise is clear indication that you had not followed his career and are not as familiar with marvin as you claim to be in my opinion, the hagler that fought leonard looked terrible how anyone who claims to be a true fan of haglers can see different is a clear indication that they are either biased against hagler or are not really familiar with him at his peak or prime or close to his peak or prime.

He was missing leonard by feet in some instances when he threw shots, he was dragging as if he was walking in quicksand, he had no bounce in his legs, he had no snap in his punches, etc, you're right when you say he wasn't the fighter who fought antufermo the first time that's about all that you're right about. Anytime a fight is close with a slight edge to hagler and you give the decision to the challenger it is robbery, again I will ask you what world or planet are you living on? a point of reference take a look at the chavez vs whitaker and noticed how pernell completely dominated chavez for 12 rds while barely being touched in the process but they still gave the champ the benefit of the doubt and ruled the fight draw when everyone who saw the fight knows that pernell won the fight convincingly and I could give you numerous other examples,you don't award the championship to the challenger in such a close fight that my friend is robbery, you have to ko or literally ko the champion to get the title but as has been the case in most of haglers career he never got the benefit of the doubt, factor in the fact that he was fighting america's darling it's golden boy at that time, and they were fighting in vegas and that should give you an idea of exactly what really happened that night, hagler had leonard ready to go in the 12th and punished him throughout much of the fight but you award the decision to the challenger? please let's get real.

[thuggery]

God Damn this guy is writing novels on fighters that he doesn't even like

Stevens getting tossed really took a toll on you.