Comments Thread For: Stevens Views Golovkin As An Overrated 'Hype Job'

[Wokingman]

I'm going to cry laughing if GGG gets Pacquiao'd.. How salty will all of you feel?

[Southpawology]

I'm going to cry laughing if GGG gets Pacquiao'd.. How salty will all of you feel?

I would cry laughing if stevens gets KO'd in the 1st round but I dont think anything is funnier than getting beaten to a pulp by contender star jesse brinkley. LMAO.

[Citizen Koba]

Thanks for defining what a troll is, now back to reality, golovkin is not exceptional! he is hyped! he does nothing exceptionally well! he doesn't have a great offense or defense! so what is all the hype about!? And he has beaten fighters that he should have beaten and he has struggled with b level fighters in rosado and ouma fighters he should have koed in convincing fashion as soon as he faces a good fighter with skill, heart, a chin, can punch and take a punch he is going to get koed, remember you heard it here first. Below is an example of what an all time great fighter is a fighter who possessed skill, toughness, determination, ring smarts and could punch the greatest MW in the history of the sport, a fighter who held the undisputed MW title for seven yeard before he was robbed in the leonard fight, a fighter who would have destroyed golovkin, eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy work. You are obviously a boxing novice a boxing ****** who knows very little about boxing so I felt it necessary too educate you on what real skill and greatness is. This is him as close to his prime as I could find understand that he didn't get his first title shot until his 49th fight when he won the title he was past his prime but still went on to be considered by many as the greatest MW in the history of the sport, and one of the really all time greats he beat hearns, mugabi, leonard, and duran being well past his prime that says a lot about how good he really was, but he was just a shell of himself when he fought leonard, leonard by his own admission said he waited for him to decline before he fought him because he felt he couldn't beat him in his prime, even as a badly faded fighter he still gave leonard hell and won the fight in the eyes of many, this is truly MW greatness not this media hyped star golovkin, please learn boxing before you make ridiculous statements like that.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxjhOfZUyjk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8uNVMC_oMU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbLFJuLhjrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fYLfTajko

Thanks for that, but I am, FWIW already familiar with the great Marvin Hagler.

Why did you feel the need to bring him up? Did I mention him or slight him in some way, or is it normal for you to just randomly blurt information at people apropos of nothing at all?

Which was the ridiculous statement I made by the way? About Golovkins KO ratio - is that what got you all excited? Well yeah, he has a higher KO ratio than Hagler did. Also at the 27 fight point in his career it can't really be argued that Hagler had a better resume than GGG - though I expect that'll provoke a second diatribe.

You gotta keep calm kid, I ain't saying GGGs some ATG, I'm just saying that he's good, even exceptional, if you don't agree, I don't care, neither should you.

[dray435]

Thanks for that, but I am, FWIW already familiar with the great Marvin Hagler.

Why did you feel the need to bring him up? Did I mention him or slight him in some way, or is it normal for you to just randomly blurt information at people apropos of nothing at all?

Which was the ridiculous statement I made by the way? About Golovkins KO ratio - is that what got you all excited? Well yeah, he has a higher KO ratio than Hagler did. Also at the 27 fight point in his career it can't really be argued that Hagler had a better resume than GGG - though I expect that'll provoke a second diatribe.

You gotta keep calm kid, I ain't saying GGGs some ATG, I'm just saying that he's good, even exceptional, if you don't agree, I don't care, neither should you.

Keep calm kid,and excited? No I'm not excited and I'm quite calm actually but you obviously really don't know boxing or haglers career to suggest that golovkins resume up to this point is on par with haglers, and there was no diatribe involved I was just going out of my way to educate you about what great fighters look like,and trust me they don't remotely resemble anything like golovkin at this point, and I'm not sure they ever will. The issue I had with what you said is referring to golovkin as exceptional and as I said he doesn't do anything exceptionally well, no exceptional defense or offense, nor is his resume exceptional, it's just sad that people like you who are blinded by all the media hype, unwarranted praise and support, can't see the obvious. Golovkin is a decent fighter for this era, but in haglers era I doubt if he would have even been a contender because he would have never in my opinion gotten past the likes of hamsho, fully obel, roldan, or mugabi and maybe not even sibson.

[Vasyl’s dad]

so what does this make Stevens?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Golovkin is a hype job, rosado was cracking him appeared to be hurting him and had him backing up in certain points of the fight and probably could have won if not for all the blood and cuts because he was definitely coming on in the fight, kasim ouma gave him hell for 7-8 rds and both guys were natural 154 pounders. Anybody that is thinking golovkin is going to walk through stevens is in for a rude awakening if stevens can take his punches when he has to stevens can and will stop him, and not every fighter that comes from the eastern block nations are good fighters there are just as many who are lousy fighters that never make it golovkin is more hype than substance and I have a strong inclination that he is about to be exposed in this fight. If he comes to fight and doesn't run and if stevens can take his punches when he has to golovkin is getting koed, you heard it here first.

lol.......

[Jloro]

I would cry laughing if stevens gets KO'd in the 1st round but I dont think anything is funnier than getting beaten to a pulp by contender star jesse brinkley. LMAO.

Lmao GG got rocked by a bum midget

[Vasyl’s dad]

Stevens was quite the hypejob himself until people realized he'd be nothing more than Broadway Boxing level fighter.

He might have to eat his words lying hurt on the canvass.

He was actually spitting them out.

[KickAzz]

Lmao GG got rocked by a bum midget

Goooooood booooooy

[Ravens Fan]

You are digging pretty far back to find fighters that had that many fights before getting title shots, that was a completely different era in the days when ray robinson and marciano fought. But in haglers era with the exception of chavez and maybe a few others having that many fights before getting a title shot was pretty unheard of, and not the norm, and to suggest that it did not erode chavez skills or the other fighters skills so therefore couldn't have eroded haglers skills is presumptuous to say the least.The question is how do you know that it didn't erode the skills of the other aforementioned fighters or hagler? I will tell you that I have seen earlier fights of hagler where he had much better foot movement, mobility, speed and reflexes before he won the title, he may have been a more seasoned and honed fighter based on all the fights and experience, but he was not as quick and as mobile as he was in his earlier years. Compare the post champion hagler to the pre champion hagler and you can see an obvious decline in mobility, speed and reflexes.


But every fighter is different and I honestly believe purer diets in ray robinsons era made for better health and therefore better conditioned and better performing fighters, fighters that recovered more quickly because of the bodies ability to heal and recover based on superior nutrition,they didn't have as many processed foods back then,and milk for instance which is very beneficial in improving overall health, grass fed milk that is, was produced from cows who ate only grass as opposed to grain. Grass fed cows milk has some amazing health benefits and is heart healthy as opposed to grain fed cows milk that is heart unhealthy and full of antibiotics and other harmful substances,it is produced from cows eating grain something they were not design to do which makes the product inferior. Not to mention the harmful effects of pesticides and other substances which were not as widely used back then as they are now. All these things I believe contributed to better overall health and therefore resulted in better conditioned and healthier fighters who were able to fight harder and longer without suffering the ill effects of being negatively impacted or slowed down from such rigorous schedules.



Honestly you can't always expect to get the real truth from sports announcer, many who are biased and paid to speak favorably about the house fighter, how many times has jim lampley and max kellerman for instance and others painted a completely false and inaccurate picture of what was actually going on in the ring? It doesn't matter whether gil clancey or any other sports announcer failed to see it or not, leonard saw it and said as much and that is all that really matters, ray by his own admission said he noticed how hagler was getting hit with shots that he normally wouldn't get hit with, he said that he saw a clear sign of slippage, factor in the brutality of the mugabi fight and it clearly shows in haglers performance that he was not the same fighter afterwards, his timing was deplorable, he had no legs, his reflexes were not there in the leonard fight, being a longtime fan of hagler and following his career it was obvious to me that the ring wars as well as natural skill erosion over time had taken a toll and it showed in hagler's performance, and that hagler who fought leonard was quite obviously not the hagler of old, but great points though I see you did some research.

I guess you missed the part when I said that Hagler was one of the last of the old school fighters. And how do I know if all those fights did or didn't erode the skills of those fighters? I don't honestly know. But as they say the proof is in the pudding. With that said they all were pretty dominant champions. So that tells me that they were not past their respective primes and far from washed up, to include the Marvelous One.

There is also no doubt that the Hagler that fought Antuofermo was not the same one that fought Leonard. After all there was seventeen fights and eights years that separate the two fights. However, the real reason he may have looked much better earlier in his career was more likely due to the level of his competition at the time then anything else.

As for what Sugar Ray said about Hagler this is what I witnessed. I watched Hagler dominate the number one contender and knock him out. I believe Mugabi had only won two rounds when he was stopped. And the fight before that Hagler destroyed Thomas Hearns. So once again Hagler didn't seem to be to past his prime or washed up when he was still able to pull those amazing feats off.

As far as the announcers talking up the house fighters I agree it happens. But Gil Clancy didn't say anything out of line during the Mugabi fight and he was right on with what he said during the Leonard fight. Gil kept repeating over and over again that he did not understand why Hagler was fighting orthodox for the first half of the fight. And I agree with Gil that it cost Hagler the fight. With that said, the lose had more to do with Marvin fighting the wrong fight then anything about him being a shell of his former self. I also believe that Ray surprised many with what he had left in the tank. But again that is only my opinion and I still don't believe Ray did enough to win. I also have to admit that I am pretty biased when comes to Hagler.

As far as the health thing is concerned I am not sure what to say about that. But didn't you say I was presumptuous earlier? I believe it is slightly presumptuous of you to make such a bold statement. Simply because of all the advancements with vitamins and medications to practicing medicine,to include plastic and cosmetic surgery, I believe we are way better off health wise then people were back in 1940's. Regardless of how many steroids our cows may be eating.

That is why we have Bhop doing what he is doing at 48 years of age and Vitali at 42 or any other of the numerous fighters that are fighting at an elite level way past the expiration dates of the careers of their counterparts from the past. But than again maybe you were right all along. And it is simply because they don't suffer the wear and tear of a long career like that of the fighters from the past.

In closing I still think you are blowing the Hagler thing way out of proportion and I also believe you are being overly dramatic in the process. By the way you were totally off the mark with how GGG would do tonight. So what now? Are you going to go off on us and explain how great Carlos Monzon was at middleweight and how GGG would have never beaten him?