Comments Thread For: Stevens Views Golovkin As An Overrated 'Hype Job'

[dray435]

I only mentioned Monzon to push your buttons because other than you no one is comparing GGG to Hagler or at this anyone else. You also want to debate the health of the planet when I really was trying to keep it in the context of boxing. But since you opened the door I will step in.

You make it sound like all the problems with pollution just started in the last few decades. When I can guarantee you that the air quality in the city of my birth is much better now than it was when places such as Beth Steel were pumping all kinds of crap into the air back in the 1940's and 50's. That was also when they were dumping all their crap straight into the Chesapeake Bay with no regards of the impact on anything but the bottom line. But this arguments belongs somewhere like possibly a Greenpeace forum and surely not on a boxing forum. With said I will touch on what else you said and try to refocus on boxing.

There is no doubt that they, who ever they may be, put strange additives in our foods. But this how I look at it. If anyone makes the choice they can eat as healthy as anyone that was eating the same foods before they were putting all the crap in it. How can they do it? Easy they shop at places such as Whole Foods. And while they eat healthy as they sip on their spring water they still benefit from the all the other advancements we as humans have made in medicine and various others things that now allow us to live longer. But enough of that now back to boxing.

I don't know how many time I have to say this but this is the last time I will. I have no doubt that the Hagler that fought Antoufermo was the not the same one that fought Leonard. I just don't agree with you that he was as washed up as you make it sound. It is as simple as that.

There is also no doubt that Hagler was slowing down but you had him with one foot in the grave when he fought Leonard. I guess since you believe you are the guardian of everything that is Hagler maybe making the excuses for him helps you deal with the fact that he did lose to Sugar Ray. See because unlike you I don't believe it was a robbery. Simply because it really was a close fight. But you are so biased I don't believe your brain allows you to see that as fact.

And how you don't understand that a fighter is going to look better in every way when he is fighting a fighter such as DC Walker at 2-11 than is when he fighting Roberto Duran is beyond me. If you really believe that you really should stop calling other forum members boxing ******* and possibly reevaluate your own boxing knowledge.

I have also read some of your earlier post and for what ever reason you seem to have a strong dislike for Russians. Whats up with that? You made a statement that no Russians would have ever beaten Hagler Duran and who ever else you mentioned, and you dare to call me presumptuous?

This is how I see the Russians, or should I say Soviets won there share of Olympic boxing medals as well as world amateur championships. And to think that they would not have had an affect on pro boxing if not for the limitations the Iron Curtain but on them just tells me how closed minded you are. I have no doubt that some of them would have been good enough to win titles as pros and it would have been interesting if that had happened.

As of now there are close to 30 fighters from former Soviet Bloc countries that are ranked by Ring Magazine. They are ranked from heavyweight down to jr. welterweight to exclude welterweight where there are none. I did not go below jr ww and by the way there are somewhere around 24 Americans ranked in the same divisions. I may be wrong but something tells that really annoys you as you day dream and wish you could turn back time.

In closing I will say this about GGG. He looked much better against Stevens than he did against Ouma. So it looks as if he is learning and getting better in the process regardless of how much you root against him. And as I said earlier I really hope that someday there really is need to compare GGG to Hagler and Monzon. Because I cannot see as anything else but good for the sport of boxing. Now I am done and I promised myself that I would not reply.

This is my second post in response to this, my first post was too long according to boxingscene so I had to split it up into two posts.

Once again stop putting words in my mouth I never said a fighter doesn't look better when fighting a lesser opponent I said the speed, mobility, etc of the fighter doesn't change based on whether they are fighting a better or lesser fighter. And for you to claim that I am prejudiced against russian fighters is really ridiculous and childish my statement was in response to the poster claiming that russians would have come here and been dominant had the iron curtain been torn down and my response was it wouldn't matter if the iron curtain was torn down because skills pay the bills and the fab four were the perfect combination of skill, toughness and determination and would have more than likely beaten any russian fighter they faced and I say that because

1. America has wealth of boxing knowledge that has produced some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen and are more knowledgeable and advanced in my opinion in terms of developing championship fighters. 2. With exception of the klits what really dominant champs have come out of russia? And I believe success of the klits has more to do with their size and power than anything they are really super heavyweights their height also puts them at an advantage but if you noticed vlad was beaten twice by corey sanders and lamont brewster the russian style of fighting for the most part is a straight ahead come forward style stiff and upright with little or no emphasis on defense and slickness, and that style would have not have worked against such skilled, intelligent, determined and tough fighters like the fab four, maybe against some other american fighters but not against that group, vlad only really begin to change and improve and become this smarter, slicker, more intelligent fighter under the tutelage of the late emanuel steward.

You say there are 30 soviet fighters who are ranked but I'm talking about dominant long reigning champions, and I would dare to reason that much of the success of those soviet fighters is due to the fact that they are under the tutelage many of them of american trainers and in many respects have adopted and are emulating the american style of fighting as opposed to the european style of fighting, provodnikov is another example under the tutelage of freddie roach, this I'm sure can be attributed to much of their success. And gold medals and world titles are different I'm talking world titles you're talking gold medals we are on two different pages.

And golovkin probably looked better against stevens because ouma is actually a better fighter than stevens, stevens has more power and that is it, ouma is better overall and a more experienced fighter who has faced much better competition than stevens I'm sure that's the real reason why golovkin looked better against stevens and not ouma, and not because he golovkin has greatly improved, nothing looked different from my perspective still the same average defense and offense, but I will say he is a decent fighter for his era but he is not the stuff that legends and really great fighters are made of at least not at this point and based on what I'm seeing I doubt he will ever be, but I certainly wish him good luck because he does come across as a really decent guy that is probably one of his most endearing qualities, I'm out.

[dray435]

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Listen because you want me to be mad doesn't mean that I'm mad, mad for what? no I'm not mad I know how upsetting that must be to you, but I'm sorry I'm just not mad.

[dray435]

God Damn this guy is writing novels on fighters that he doesn't even like

Stevens getting tossed really took a toll on you.

I'm not even thinking about the stevens fight I only respond in cases where idiots make false claims and you are simply and instigating boxing novice clown who hopes and prays that he is getting under my skin but sorry to inform you it aint happening.

[samouraļ]

Listen because you want me to be mad doesn't mean that I'm mad, mad for what? no I'm not mad I know how upsetting that must be to you, but I'm sorry I'm just not mad.

Well-written response.

[junior gong]

Listen because you want me to be mad doesn't mean that I'm mad, mad for what? no I'm not mad I know how upsetting that must be to you, but I'm sorry I'm just not mad.

Are you sure? You sound a bit mad.

[dray435]

SMDH, floboners

LOL, floboners, floyd and adrienne broner lovers, hence the term floboners, funny.