The Corner Has The Right To Stop The Fight at ANYTIME!

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  • Spray_resistant
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    #91
    Originally posted by bose
    You hire the corner for a few reasons.

    A fighter should never quit and a corner should never allow a fighter to quit, but a corner should not send his fighter out when they see that their fighter has nothing left.

    I didn't see the fight but if Weeks didn't listen to Alvarez corner to stop the fight, Weeks needs to be suspended for a few fights.

    It should never be the fighter who stops the fight, this is what your corner is for, too look after you.
    Its really more the refs job the corner is more there for tactical advice and to keep the fighter's face together as best as they can in between rounds so the fighter can do what he trained to do.

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    • bigcursedawg
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      #92
      Originally posted by New England
      i thought it was strange as well


      his corner should have stopped the fight when he came back to the corner. alvarado shouldn't have had to quit. i can't be sure, but it sounds like alvarado says "stop it" when he first gets to the corner.
      It was weird. I wasn't quite sure what was going on in the corner. I heard Rudy Hernandez tell Mike "your taking too much punishment we got to stop it". But when Weeks came into the corner I swore I heard someone say "hes fine" or "he's alright" or something like that. And that's when Weeks was said "no I want to hear it from him!"
      IMO thee was no real cohesion in Alvarado's corner. He had his original trainer and Hernandez and I didn't seem to me like anyone was really in charge. I initially thought it was a **** head move my Weeks but IMO he did the right thing. The corner wasnt on top of it, someone in his corner should've waved off as soon as the round was over.

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      • bigcursedawg
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        #93
        Originally posted by Spray_resistant
        Its really more the refs job the corner is more there for tactical advice and to keep the fighter's face together as best as they can in between rounds so the fighter can do what he trained to do.
        If the corner you hire doesn't look after your well being you should hire a new one. Your trainer should know you better than anyone else and know when you don't have anything left. The ref is supposed to enforce the rules and if you are defending yourself and throwing back he can't rightfully stop a fight. Look at Figueroa Arakawa. I don't think anyone would've blamed the ref for stopping that fight, but Arakawa was always throwing back. The responsibility lies on the corner in those situations.
        It's a dangerous sport and even more dangerous when you don't have anyone looking after your well being. Look at what just happened with Frankie Leal. RIP

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        • TOBYLEE1
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          #94
          There has been numerous fight that the corner had stopped the fight in mid round because their fighter is catching a beating.

          Alvarado's body language was saying the story of his state and his corner knows him well. Mike maybe couldn't even answer the question if he wanted to continue in the state that he was.

          Sometimes you have to save the boxer from himself and this was one of those occasions
          Last edited by TOBYLEE1; 10-23-2013, 05:08 PM.

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          • New England
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            #95
            Originally posted by kardsufur
            well the ref CAN and HAS done that before many times so you're wrong


            i am not wrong. if you stay in the ring your fighter is DQ'd. fi you enter the ring he is DQ'd.


            the corner can get the fight stopped at any time.



            anybody who says otherwise has not watched enough boxing. you probably saw arthur mercante being an idiot and thought that was the norm.

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            • Ace R.
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              #96
              It's the corners job to look after the fighters best interest and they did just that.

              I thought it was unnecessary to ask Mike if he wanted to continue AFTER the corner already said they're stopping it.

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              • Humean
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                #97
                Originally posted by Ace R.
                It's the corners job to look after the fighters best interest and they did just that.

                I thought it was unnecessary to ask Mike if he wanted to continue AFTER the corner already said they're stopping it.
                As I understand it the power and discretion to stop a fight is exclusively with the referee, he of course often takes advice/notice from the doctor, corner or fighter to make that decision.

                Weeks perhaps thought that Alvarado's corner was not entriely clear about wanting to end it and thus wanted to hear it from Alvarado himself.

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                • Rockin'
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                  #98
                  The corner can certainly stop a bout. All that they have to do is remain in the ring/on the apron when the bell sounds for the next round.

                  A corner man, in most cases, knows the fighter a hell of alot better than the referee. It's standard procedure, if the corner calls the bout then the referees job is over and he should wave it off.

                  Then there's always throwing in the towel. I saw one fight where the referee kicked the towel from the ring after he watched it land on the canvas allowing the bout to continue.

                  Once the towel is throw into the ring, whenever the corner men enter the ring during a round and when a corner waves it off, the referees jobs is essentially over. If there was an unjustice in the corner calling it then it's the commisions job to handle it from there.

                  I'm just guessing though......... Rockin'
                  Last edited by Rockin'; 10-23-2013, 05:12 PM.

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                  • Light_Speed
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                    #99
                    Yeah he should have stopped the fight as soon as the corner told him to, but he always gives fighters the benefit of the doubt, he let Oscar last longer than he should have against Pacquiao.

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                    • daggum
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                      #100
                      tony weeks is a yes man. the a-side in that fight was alvarado. weeks was there to make sure he won. that's why he didn't stop the fight when alvarado didn't beat the count and was flopping around the ring. same thing happened in garcia-matthysse. he did everything in favor of garcia to make sure he had the best chance at winning. he is the perfect boxing ref for protecting a-side fighters. you will see him a lot more.

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