Comments Thread For: Cotto vs. Martinez Bout Eyed For PR Day Parade Weekend

[-PBP-]

And boxing has also always had the optional fight against name opposition. You are stretching the word great to include Cotto who was very good and had a very good career. Great career is stretching it, although I don't throw around the word great maybe you do, or have a sliding scale like you do for name fighters getting opportunities.

Also keep in mind you were the one that had a problem with how boxing worked and said that boxing should be about who earned it and that boxing fans should not accept stuff like that~

A big name guy getting an opportunity at a champion who is choosing to fight them without them really doing anything to earn a shot at the crown because they are the best money option.

How is it really different?

Great in terms of the era he's fighting in. As far as being an ATG..No.

Its different because one guy has paid his dues and one guy hasn't. Paying your dues in the sport qualifies as earning the right to be in a big title fight to me.

Cotto and Khan are not equivalents.

[The Gambler1981]

Great in terms of the era he's fighting in. As far as being an ATG..No.

Its different because one guy has paid his dues and one guy hasn't. Paying your dues in the sport qualifies as earning the right to be in a big title fight to me.

Cotto and Khan are not equivalents.

But the fights are similar~ just you are accepting of one but were screaming to high heavens about the other solely based on your respect for one guy.

You have it ass backwards though about optional fights, it is about the champion having nothing to do thus he can do whatever, Floyd certainly has no one pressing to fight so fighting evena never was like Khan is acceptable. Cotto is better than Khan and maybe you can argue he deserves a shot at the middleweight crown if you really bend over backwards for him, however Martinez shouldn't be giving out optional defenses at the moment until he cleans up his division.

If you don't get the problems with that fight from the reverse side then you are being willfully blind and all that mess you talked about earning shot means nothing because the guys that earned shots at Martinez are being cast to the side for a guy who has done nothing to earn a shot in years because he had a very good career.

[-PBP-]

But the fights are similar~ just you are accepting of one but were screaming to high heavens about the other solely based on your respect for one guy.

You have it ass backwards though about optional fights, it is about the champion having nothing to do thus he can do whatever, Floyd certainly has no one pressing to fight so fighting evena never was like Khan is acceptable. Cotto is better than Khan and maybe you can argue he deserves a shot at the middleweight crown if you really bend over backwards for him, however Martinez shouldn't be giving out optional defenses at the moment until he cleans up his division.

If you don't get the problems with that fight from the reverse side then you are being willfully blind and all that mess you talked about earning shot means nothing because the guys that earned shots at Martinez are being cast to the side for a guy who has done nothing to earn a shot in years because he had a very good career.

Not really blind. More like using common sense and not buying into your bull**** of trying to justify garbage fights.

Floyd vs. Khan is a **** fight.

Sergio vs. Cotto is a good fight.

I can approve of one and not the other without contradicting anything I've said and I've already done just that. I don't hold Khan to the same standard as hall of famers. He needs to earn his way.

And I guess all you're saying now is "Floyd is king, he can do what ever he wants." Great. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with every move he makes. I've had no problem with his opponent selections in the past but I'm not excusing this cherry pick. If you want to, then be my guest. Enjoy. Its your money. You can do whatever you want with it.

[IronDanHamza]

Not really blind. More like using common sense and not buying into your bull**** of trying to justify garbage fights.

Floyd vs. Khan is a **** fight.

Sergio vs. Cotto is a good fight.

I can approve of one and not the other without contradicting anything I've said and I've already done just that. I don't hold Khan to the same standard as hall of famers. He needs to earn his way.

And I guess all you're saying now is "Floyd is king, he can do what ever he wants." Great. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with every move he makes. I've had no problem with his opponent selections in the past but I'm not excusing this cherry pick. If you want to, then be my guest. Enjoy. Its your money. You can do whatever you want with it.

I think Cotto-Martinez will be more one sided than Mayweather-Khan.

Unless Martinez is completely shot.

[The Gambler1981]

Not really blind. More like using common sense and not buying into your bull**** of trying to justify garbage fights.

Floyd vs. Khan is a **** fight.

Sergio vs. Cotto is a good fight.

I can approve of one and not the other without contradicting anything I've said and I've already done just that. I don't hold Khan to the same standard as hall of famers. He needs to earn his way.

And I guess all you're saying now is "Floyd is king, he can do what ever he wants." Great. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with every move he makes. I've had no problem with his opponent selections in the past but I'm not excusing this cherry pick. If you want to, then be my guest. Enjoy. Its your money. You can do whatever you want with it.

You have contradicted yourself though, you just don't want to admit it~

I never said Floyd-Khan was anything other than a showcase fight, a fight that really meant nothing so I don't see where I am justifying anything because I don't have to. Floyd has bad options whatever one he chooses or if he doesn't fight at all will get criticism but that is fine and to be expected. Understanding the deal is not justifying anything~

You are justifying a fight that is similar situation because you like the fight, fine but don't act like you weren't on a super high horse in that other thread those in glass houses should not throw stones~

[The Gambler1981]

I think Cotto-Martinez will be more one sided than Mayweather-Khan.

Unless Martinez is completely shot.

I would say there is more intrigue in a Cotto-Martinez fight a lot because of Martinez's situation though.

Mayweather-Khan could be fun but there is no real intrigue as for what the final result will be.

[-PBP-]

I think Cotto-Martinez will be more one sided than Mayweather-Khan.

Unless Martinez is completely shot.

Based on his last performance and his injuries I don't think this assumption is a stretch. Maybe not shot, but the fight is more competitive today than it would have been a couple of years ago or even last year.

You have contradicted yourself though, you just don't want to admit it~

I never said Floyd-Khan was anything other than a showcase fight, a fight that really meant nothing so I don't see where I am justifying anything because I don't have to. Floyd has bad options whatever one he chooses or if he doesn't fight at all will get criticism but that is fine and to be expected. Understanding the deal is not justifying anything~

You are justifying a fight that is similar situation because you like the fight, fine but don't act like you weren't on a super high horse in that other thread those in glass houses should not throw stones~

LOL. You are reaching. My entire argument has been that I have no problem with fights happening if the fighters put in work and earn them. But do whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better cause you're border line obsessed at this point.

[IronDanHamza]

I would say there is more intrigue in a Cotto-Martinez fight a lot because of Martinez's situation though.

Mayweather-Khan could be fun but there is no real intrigue as for what the final result will be.

Cotto's only chance is Martinez being shot to pieces with I highly doubt is the case. And if he is shot, then that's just defeats the interest in the fight for me.

The Martinez who fought Murray kills Cotto.

[IronDanHamza]

Based on his last performance and his injuries I don't think this assumption is a stretch. Maybe not shot, but the fight is more competitive today than it would have been a couple of years ago or even last year.




LOL. You are reaching. My entire argument has been that I have no problem with fights happening if the fighters put in work and earn them. But do whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better cause you're border line obsessed at this point.

I don't think he looked shot against Murray.

Murray is a very big MW and Martinez struggles with that style.

He was still punching hard and sharp and had the ability to move.

That version of Martinez would kill Cotto. He's going to kill him any way.

[IronDanHamza]

Based on his last performance and his injuries I don't think this assumption is a stretch. Maybe not shot, but the fight is more competitive today than it would have been a couple of years ago or even last year.




LOL. You are reaching. My entire argument has been that I have no problem with fights happening if the fighters put in work and earn them. But do whatever you have to do to make yourself feel better cause you're border line obsessed at this point.

To be fair, Khan's put in a lot of solid work at 140.

Not as much as Cotto has in his career but it's not like Khan doesn't have a solid resume, he does.

I don't think a win over Delvin Rodriguez who's decent but not in the Top 10 at 154 should put you into position for a shot at the Lineage at MW regardless to who you are.