Comments Thread For: Cotto vs. Martinez Bout Eyed For PR Day Parade Weekend

[ChampBox@PR]

And if Cotto wins?

Will all the sh-t talking go away and people start giving him credit for the level of opposition he took and the career he's had.

If he beats Martinez, he'd out-do what Tito the Quitter attempted to do 12 years ago, while being a much smaller man, on the downslide of his career as opposed to the upswing.

If he fights smart, pumps that jab at Sergio's chin w/ his hands down approach, and close the gap so that Sergio can't land that overhand left, and work the body, Cotto has a chance.

It's a small chance, but Cotto has the ring experience and skills to do it. And honestly, Cotto has been in there with higher level of quality fighters than Sergio has. I think that plays a factor to.

[ChampBox@PR]

Answer the question I posed to you~ when was his last quality win? Margarito? Mayorga? Foreman?

How about Khan? Judah, Malinaggi, Maidana?

We are talking 2010 or 2011 for either and 2 loses between now and then for both of them

Cotto gets credit from 2008 and before for how long.

I have a lot of respect for Cotto but he just doesn't get a pass forever and Martinez is the guy that really has pressing business and shouldn't really be allowed to fish for an optional fight. Floyd is in a much more secure position to fight someone not called for.

Grasping at straws, lol get serious dude your position is booty and you know it, which is why you have given no answers to anything I have posed to you.

I dont care how many stats or BS you write in here, but if you ar etrying to imply that Khan is somehow better or a more worthy opponent for anyone than Cotto your are a fucking idiot!!

[-PBP-]

There will be nothing historic about a fight in which everyone knows the outcome before hand. I guess, in the future, we will pontificate on how that ass whipping Cotto took was expected. And no, it doesn't do anything for Cotto's legacy because the possibility of Cotto winning is 0. And it does nothing for Martinez legacy because he's expected to win. Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York? Just as I mentioned, it's all about the money.

He's a live underdog but I don't agree that he has a 0% chance of winning. This fight is legit. Cotto is still missing that one career defining win and a W over Martinez would give him just that.

[The Gambler1981]

I dont care how many stats or BS you write in here, but if you ar etrying to imply that Khan is somehow better or a more worthy opponent for anyone than Cotto your are a fucking idiot!!

Didn't say that at all just the fights are somewhat similar situations. I pointed out similarities this whole time, I said all along Cotto is better and that Cotto Martinez is the better fight.

A big name guy getting an opportunity at a champion who is choosing to fight them without them really doing anything to earn a shot at the crown because they are the best money option.

IS that not the situation in both fights?

[The Gambler1981]

And have fun defending **** fightsfights

Witty retort but I will defend whatever I want to defend and my stance on those issues. What you think about a fight mean very much to me~

[The Gambler1981]

None of this is relevant to what I've said. I consider career achievements and total body of work as well. I'm not steering this into an analysis of Cottos resume. He's earned his status in boxing. Khan hasn't.

Your holding Khan to the same standard as proven hall of famers and its retarted logic. I'm not answering your questions because your trying to steer the argument in another direction to make yourself feel better after grasping for straws and reaching for 4 pages.

It all applies and for someone talking about whole history, let me guess JCC JR was a great win for Oscar and Tzsyu or Sweet Pea was a great win for Tito, those were great fights because those guys had great careers right.

I am holding fights to the same standard, you are the one making a hypocritical argument about why it should be different even when I spelled it out for you how it is the same and you continue stick your head in the sand but that doesn't make the issues go away.

[-PBP-]

It all applies and for someone talking about whole history, let me guess JCC JR was a great win for Oscar and Tzsyu or Sweet Pea was a great win for Tito, those were great fights because those guys had great careers right.

Meh. Every case is different. None of them were great fights and/or wins. But what doesn't change is the fact that I have no problems with any of them competing in title fights. And JCC vs. De La Hoya was a bad example because Chavez was the WBC champ .

But the weak spot in your argument remains. Your elevating Amir Khan to the level of Miguel Cotto, and now, to the level of Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez. That's ridiculous. Just because these guys are getting big fights, doesn't mean Khan should be gifted one as well.

I am holding fights to the same standard, you are the one making a hypocritical argument about why it should be different even when I spelled it out for you how it is the same and you continue stick your head in the sand but that doesn't make the issues go away.

And that's your problem. You can't elevate Amir Khan to the same level as boxing hall of famers. He has done nothing to warrant such a status.

[The Gambler1981]

Meh. Every case is different. None of them were great fights and/or wins. But what doesn't change is the fact that I have no problems with any of them competing in title fights. And JCC vs. De La Hoya was a bad example because Chavez was the WBC champ .

But the weak spot in your argument remains. Your elevating Amir Khan to the level of Miguel Cotto, and now, to the level of Pernell Whitaker and Julio Cesar Chavez. That's ridiculous. Just because these guys are getting big fights, doesn't mean Khan should be gifted one as well.



And that's your problem. You can't elevate Amir Khan to the same level as boxing hall of famers. He has done nothing to warrant such a status.

Except when I look at them recently they look really similar~ in terms of what they did and results in recent terms last 3 years or so. Current place in boxing is much more important than past success.

I have no problem with any of those fights or any fight in general because you can find fault with any fight, specifically if they aren't better options. For Cotto Martinez might be the best realistic option, but certain not for Martinez.

You have a very narrow view of this conversation is not all just about Cotto is is about the specific fights, you are trying to make it all about Cotto and his hall of fame credentials, that is only like 10% of the conversation and you are holding on to that 10% that I already gave you because I have said Khan is not as good as Cotto how many times? And that Cotto-Martinez is a superior fight from a competitive stand point.

Still it comes back to they are similar but in the reverse Floyd has poor options but has proven to be the unquestioned top guy thus can do whatever until a next best guy can emerge (I like Garcia but he doesn't seem anxious to make that fight), Khan is not a challenge and means nothing other than a payday and a chance to look great (which look what that did for Cotto if you doubt what looking great against suspect opposition can do for you), Cotto is a big name needing a big fight who has had a quality career but is short on recent accomplishment, Martinez has business he need to take care of at 160 with guys who have actually earned a right to challenge for his crown.

One is a better fight but the situations are roughly equal although from different angles~

[-PBP-]

Except when I look at them recently they look really similar~ in terms of what they did and results in recent terms last 3 years or so. Current place in boxing is much more important than past success.

I have no problem with any of those fights or any fight in general because you can find fault with any fight, specifically if they aren't better options. For Cotto Martinez might be the best realistic option, but certain not for Martinez.

You have a very narrow view of this conversation is not all just about Cotto is is about the specific fights, you are trying to make it all about Cotto and his hall of fame credentials, that is only like 10% of the conversation and you are holding on to that 10% that I already gave you because I have said Khan is not as good as Cotto how many times? And that Cotto-Martinez is a superior fight from a competitive stand point.

Still it comes back to they are similar but in the reverse Floyd has poor options but has proven to be the unquestioned top guy thus can do whatever until a next best guy can emerge (I like Garcia but he doesn't seem anxious to make that fight), Khan is not a challenge and means nothing other than a payday and a chance to look great (which look what that did for Cotto if you doubt what looking great against suspect opposition can do for you), Cotto is a big name needing a big fight who has had a quality career but is short on recent accomplishment, Martinez has business he need to take care of at 160 with guys who have actually earned a right to challenge for his crown.

One is a better fight but the situations are roughly equal although from different angles~

Boxing has never worked that way. It has always been about reputation. Fighters with great reputations and great careers continue to get big fights because they've earned them. So no, these situations aren't the same or even close to being similar.

[The Gambler1981]

Boxing has never worked that way. It has always been about reputation. Fighters with great reputations and great careers continue to get big fights because they've earned them. So no, these situations aren't the same or even close to being similar.

And boxing has also always had the optional fight against name opposition. You are stretching the word great to include Cotto who was very good and had a very good career. Great career is stretching it, although I don't throw around the word great maybe you do, or have a sliding scale like you do for name fighters getting opportunities.

Also keep in mind you were the one that had a problem with how boxing worked and said that boxing should be about who earned it and that boxing fans should not accept stuff like that~ and that someone that accepts the reality of the sport is a poor fan~

A big name guy getting an opportunity at a champion who is choosing to fight them without them really doing anything to earn a shot at the crown because they are the best money option.

How is it really different?