Comments Thread For: Cotto vs. Martinez Bout Eyed For PR Day Parade Weekend

[-PBP-]

You really didn't, if you want to think that cool whatever because this isn't going to go anywhere because I am perfectly fine with the positions I have laid out and not having big issues with optional fights.

Cotto is worthy because he put in work. I said that 1,000 times. Your just trying to shift my argument and put words in my mouth and I'm not letting you. And that's why this is dragging out.

And I know you'll stand by that optional fight crap. You would find a way to justify Floyd fighting a zoo monkey.

Pacquiao and Khan would both be optional fights. Both have struggled recently but one is clearly deserving while the other isn't. I don't have to accept both.

It's ******. You have to draw the line somewhere.

[The Gambler1981]

Cotto is worthy because he put in work. I said that 1,000 times. Your just trying to shift my argument and put words in my mouth and I'm not letting you. And that's why this is draggingout.

And I know you'll stand by that optional fight crap. You would find a way to justify Floyd fighting a zoo monkey.

Pacquiao and Khan would both be optional fights. Both have struggled recently but one us clearly deserving while the other isn't.

It's ******. You have to draw the line somewhere.

He hasn't done anything in years at 154 so you are basing his worthiness based on work from so long ago and nothing ever at 160. He is not the man at 154 or even close to it for a long time. Answer how many years ago was his last quality win? How many years ago was Khan's? You can just be removed from quality performances for years and it doesn't matter to you?

Floyd doesn't have much to prove at the moment, sure Manny would be better than Khan but how is that possible to make, Bradley is good also should he win but that isn't a realistic option at the moment either.

Cotto is with Top Rank again so I am not going to get twisted about him not fighting GBP guys because that isn't realistic.

The problem isn't drawing a line it is that your line is slanted and you don't even realize it.

[-PBP-]

He hasn't done anything in years at 154 so you are basing his worthiness based on work from so long ago and nothing ever at 160. He is not the man at 154 or even close to it for a long time. Answer how many years ago was his last quality win? How many years ago was Khan's? You can just be removed from quality performances for years and it doesn't matter to you?

Floyd doesn't have much to prove at the moment, sure Manny would be better than Khan but how is that possible to make, Bradley is good also should he win but that isn't a realistic option at the moment either.

Cotto is with Top Rank again so I am not going to get twisted about him not fighting GBP guys because that isn't realistic.

The problem isn't drawing a line it is that you line is slanted and you don't even realize it.

Dude. Lol . You are stubborn. One last time.

Cotto is a proven fighter with a hall if fame career. If he wants to challenge for a middleweight title, its all good. I respect what he has accomplished in the sport of boxing.

Now stop trying to put words in my mouth. You're rambling about **** that either I've never said or agree with in the first place.

Amir Khan does not have Cotto status in the fight game and you can't get around that. Now keep grasping for straws.

[The Gambler1981]

Dude. Lol . You are stubborn. One last time.

Cotto is a proven fighter with a hall if fame career. If he wants to challenge for a middleweight title, its all good. I respect what he has accomplished in the sport of boxing.

Now stop trying to put words in my mouth. You're rambling about **** that either I've never said or agree with in the first place.

Answer the question I posed to you~ when was his last quality win? Margarito? Mayorga? Foreman?

How about Khan? Judah, Malinaggi, Maidana?

We are talking 2010 or 2011 for either and 2 loses between now and then for both of them

Cotto gets credit from 2008 and before for how long.

I have a lot of respect for Cotto but he just doesn't get a pass forever and Martinez is the guy that really has pressing business and shouldn't really be allowed to fish for an optional fight. Floyd is in a much more secure position to fight someone not called for.

Grasping at straws, lol get serious dude your position is booty and you know it, which is why you have given no answers to anything I have posed to you.

[The Gambler1981]

I am done with this though, have fun drawing slanted line~

[-PBP-]

Answer the question I posed to you~ when was his last quality win? Margarito? Mayorga? Foreman?

How about Khan? Judah, Malinaggi, Maidana?

We are talking 2010 or 2011 for either and 2 loses between now and then for both of them

Cotto gets credit from 2008 and before for how long.

I have a lot of respect for Cotto but he just doesn't get a pass forever and Martinez is the guy that really has pressing business and shouldn't really be allowed to fish for an optional fight.

None of this is relevant to what I've said. I consider career achievements and total body of work as well. I'm not steering this into an analysis of Cottos resume. He's earned his status in boxing. Khan hasn't.

Your holding Khan to the same standard as proven hall of famers and its retarted logic. I'm not answering your questions because your trying to steer the argument in another direction to make yourself feel better after grasping for straws and reaching for 4 pages.

[-PBP-]

I am done with this though, have fun drawing slanted line~

And have fun defending **** fightsfights

[soul_survivor]

I think Pedro Diaz brought a few new elements to his game but I don't think he made him "better" if you get me.

Physically he's never been the same IMO since the Margarito fight and then more so after the Pacquaio fight.

I don't think he was shot after those fights, I don't think he's shot now. But, he's definitely never been the same since those 2 fights.

The only way Martinez loses this fight is if he's well well well passed it.

Pretty much how I see it, Cotto is still one of the best in his division, definitely not shot but unless Martinez has some major physical breakdown like Ali in the mid-to late 70s, Martinez will do a number on Cotto. That's sad t osay as I'm a fan but it's the truth.

[iniduoh]

Yeah its just about money. Nothing historical about it. It does nothing for Cotto's legacy, it won't be the biggest name on Martinez' legacy and who the hell would want to watch it on the weekend of the Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York?

There will be nothing historic about a fight in which everyone knows the outcome before hand. I guess, in the future, we will pontificate on how that ass whipping Cotto took was expected. And no, it doesn't do anything for Cotto's legacy because the possibility of Cotto winning is 0. And it does nothing for Martinez legacy because he's expected to win. Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York? Just as I mentioned, it's all about the money.

[JmH Reborn]

There will be nothing historic about a fight in which everyone knows the outcome before hand. I guess, in the future, we will pontificate on how that ass whipping Cotto took was expected. And no, it doesn't do anything for Cotto's legacy because the possibility of Cotto winning is 0. And it does nothing for Martinez legacy because he's expected to win. Puerto Rican Day Parade in New York? Just as I mentioned, it's all about the money.

And if Cotto wins?

Will all the sh-t talking go away and people start giving him credit for the level of opposition he took and the career he's had.

If he beats Martinez, he'd out-do what Tito the Quitter attempted to do 12 years ago, while being a much smaller man, on the downslide of his career as opposed to the upswing.

If he fights smart, pumps that jab at Sergio's chin w/ his hands down approach, and close the gap so that Sergio can't land that overhand left, and work the body, Cotto has a chance.

It's a small chance, but Cotto has the ring experience and skills to do it. And honestly, Cotto has been in there with higher level of quality fighters than Sergio has. I think that plays a factor to.