Comments Thread For: Cotto vs. Martinez Bout Eyed For PR Day Parade Weekend

[-PBP-]

That was the original argument, and optional fight is an optional fight. A champion that has proven worthy can fight any clown until someone steps up and proves they need to get dealt with.

Cotto is a no one at 160 and isn't the man at 154 and hasn't had a meaningful win in what 3 years? 2.5? You can't live off reputation forever. Martinez has a few challengers pressing him at 160 though so Cotto shouldn't even really be allowed to be in his head. So in a lot of ways that is the worse optional fight, except it is the better fight of the two.

"An optional fight is an optional fight"

That's ridiculous. Let's make Floyd vs. 50 Cent while were at it. Who cares what he's accomplished? He boxed as an amateur. It would be a huge PPV event. I'm sure you would find a way to defend that one.

And Cotto isn't a clown no matter how you try to twist it. Your trying to elevate Amir Khan to the level of a Miguel Cotto. Think about that for a second.

[The Gambler1981]

"An optional fight is an optional fight"

That's ridiculous. Let's make Floyd vs. 50 Cent while were at it. Who cares what he's accomplished? He boxed as an amateur. It would be a huge PPV event. I'm sure you would find a way to defend that one.

And Cotto isn't a clown no matter how you try to twist it. Your trying to elevate Amir Khan to the level of a Miguel Cotto. Think about that for a second.

Hyperbole doesn't change the argument.

If Floyd has nothing going on he needs to take care of whatever he wants to do is fine because he earned that right.

Cotto isn't a clown that was mostly referring to Khan but even he isn't really a clown. I have said point blank Cotto is the better fighter all along but he hasn't proven anything in years either at 154 or 160 and you know that to be true which is why you are going way back to his reputation at 140 and 147 basically.

Martinez is the one that has pressing business in his class he should be looking to take care of rather than an optional fight.

So like I said in the beginning the situation is similar but reversed, Floyd has proven to be the man thus has nothing pressing to do so he can fight a chump like Khan by choice to stay busy and look good. Cotto is a more worthy challenger but Martinez should have to fight on of his more deserving challengers who has earned the right before fighting an optional money fight against a big name who hasn't done anything noteworthy in years.

I am still cool with Cotto-Martinez though because like I said it is a good enough fight to not worry about that bullshit and would rather just enjoy it.

[-PBP-]

Cotto is a more worthy challenger.

Which is why one fight is justifiable and the other isn't.

[The Gambler1981]

Which is why one fight is justifiable and the other isn't.

It doesn't change the situations, because there are far more worthy guys in line for Martinez's crown, for Floyd there isn't much out there that is worthy at the moment.

So yea one is more justifiable even though it is by far the worse fight of the two.

Cotto is a better fighter and one of the biggest names so of course you can justify it, but for someone that screamed so much about earning something I just find that justification odd at best.

[-PBP-]

It doesn't change the situations, because there are far more worthy guys in line for Martinez's crown, for Floyd there isn't much out there that is worthy at the moment.

So yea one is more justifiable even though it is by far the worse fight of the two.

Cotto is a better fighter and one of the biggest names so of course you can justify it, but for someone that screamed so much about earning something I just find that justification odd at best.

So now we're shifting to worthy contenders? You're all over the place bro.

I just wanted Khan do beat Alexander and I said that. That still wouldn't of made him the most deserving but it would be a respectable fight.

So again, I'm not going down that road because that has nothing to do with anything.

[The Gambler1981]

So now we're shifting to worthy contenders? You're all over the place bro.

I just wanted Khan do beat Alexander and I said that. That still wouldn't of made him the most deserving but it would be a respectable fight.

So again, I'm not going down that road because that has nothing to do with anything.

That doesn't change anything for Khan, beating Devon really means nothing to a Floyd fight. It would be cool if he beat him but it really changes nothing if he doesn't because that doesn't really make him a top guy again. He would still be the same soft touch that is a showcase fight.

How am I all over the place? I am fine with either fight and Cotto-Martinez is the better fight because there is intrigue there, still they are both optional fights that are similar in more ways than not. So if you have problem with one you should have with the other possibly even more so considering Martinez has dudes he needs to fight that earned their shot.

But hey Cotto has big wins at 147 5 years ago so he should get a shot at the middleweight crown over a guy like Golovkin, that is a great position to take~ for someone that cares about guys earning their shot.

[-PBP-]

That doesn't change anything for Khan, beating Devon really means nothing to a Floyd fight. It would be cool if he beat him but it really changes nothing if he doesn't because that doesn't really make him a top guy again. He would still be the same soft touch that is a showcase fight.

How am I all over the place? I am fine with either fight and Cotto-Martinez is the better fight because there is intrigue there, still they are both optional fights that are similar in more ways than not. So if you have problem with one you should have with the other possibly even more so considering Martinez has dudes he needs to fight that earned their shot.

But hey Cotto has big wins at 147 5 years ago so he should get a shot at the middleweight crown over a guy like Golovkin, that is a great position to take~ for someone that cares about guys earning their shot.

Khan doesn't have the body of work that Cotto has. The comparison is ******. He needs to put in more work and a win over a welterweight champion would be a step in the right direction.

Cotto put in work already.

Sorry. I'm not excusing bull****. And again I never said the most deserving guy should always get the fight. But every title defense should be against a worthy, proven opponent that has paid his dues.

So now how will you attempt to shift this argument into the 35th different direction?

[The Gambler1981]

Khan doesn't have the body of work that Cotto has. The comparison is ******. He needs to put in more work and a win over a welterweight champion would be a step in the right direction.

Cotto put in work already.

Sorry. I'm not excusing bull****. And again I never said the most deserving guy should always get the fight. But every title defense should be against a worthy, proven opponent that has paid his dues.

So now how will you attempt to shift this argument into the 35th different direction?

Khan is a no hoper either way, so him beating a guy that is nothing like Floyd does little to change his situation, other than add a facade of legitimacy. That is something a casual fan would care about but any real boxing fan knows that means next to nothing going into that fight.

Cotto isn't close to worthy for a shot at the middleweight crown based on recent events and that other guys have done more.

Yea you are excusing stuff because it is an optional fight and pretty much the same situation.

I repeat how is this different?

A big name guy getting an opportunity at a champion who is choosing to fight them without them really doing anything to earn a shot at the crown because they are the best money option.

[-PBP-]

Khan is a no hoper either way, so him beating a guy that is nothing like Floyd does little to change his situation, other than add a facade of legitimacy. That is something a casual fan would care about but any real boxing fan knows that means next to nothing going into that fight.

Cotto isn't close to worthy for a shot at the middleweight crown based on recent events and that other guys have done more.

Yea you are excusing stuff because it is an optional fight and pretty much the same situation.

I repeat how is this different?

A big name guy getting an opportunity at a champion who is choosing to fight them without them really doing anything to earn a shot at the crown because they are the best money option.

You said that already though. Your just rambling at this point.I already addressed everything you said.

[The Gambler1981]

You said that already though. Your just rambling at this point.I already addressed everything you said.

You really didn't, if you want to think that cool whatever because this isn't going to go anywhere because I am perfectly fine with the positions I have laid out and not having big issues with optional fights.