Top 10 fighters for each country

[JAB5239]

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Love the Nordic lodge! Haven't been in about 10 years, they still got that giant stuffed bear in the lobby?

[JAB5239]

This list is not true bro, i have just count each fighter in the top 10 of each division and the list is

Mexico 32
USA 27
Japon 16
UK 14
Philippines 11

andre ward is not in the top 10 of super middleweight due inactivity

My numbers for Mexico and Japan were off because I stopped at jr bantam. As for the rest, I think I got it right but very well could have fudged some numbers. Very tedious counting and trying to keep track of everyone and everything.

[Weebler I]

My numbers for Mexico and Japan were off because I stopped at jr bantam. As for the rest, I think I got it right but very well could have fudged some numbers. Very tedious counting and trying to keep track of everyone and everything.

I can imagine that is the case lol. Honestly though, Ring while a good general guide to the rankings isn't really a great unbiased and accurate source.

Transnational Boxing rankings are probably the way to go, they're set up with the principle aim of being unbiased.

My thoughts on the US, they obviously still have some great fighters but it's mostly concentrated from 140-154lbs, a lot of their top 10 ranked fighters are in those divisions.

I'm no boxing historian but I would imagine decades ago they would have filled most of the top 10s in every division.

[soul_survivor]

That's certainly part of it. You can sense the disdain and jealousy dripping from many of their words.

The US has the largest number of fighters in the top? 34? I'm not surprised, the US is the biggest market for the sport and its media. Guys like Broner get ranked as top without hesitation. It's happened time and time again. Bradley was a p4p guy when he didn't deserve to be.

I'm not saying US boxing is rubbish, historically, in the pro ranks, it's always been the best but this list isn't the best way to determine which country is the best in the sport. It just doesn't work out proportionately. Add to that the previously mentioned media factor and you have an unfair advantage in terms of rankings.

If you look at various weight divisions independently, you can see that the US doesn't dominate from top to bottom like it once did.

Heavyweights: The best are two Ukrainian fighters boxing mainly in Germany. The other top guys are Povetkin, Pulev, Haye and Fury. Below that you have a spattering of Americans but none have been convincing and some have falters on the biggest stage.

Cruiserweight: The Ring has Hernandez as champion, he is German/Cuban...none of the other champions are American.

Light-Heavyweight: The main man is Stevenson, who is Canadian, only Hopkins is an American champ at the weight but he is holding the IBF, which is mainly regarded as inferior to the WBA and WBC. Kov is the most dangerous fighter in the division and the WBO champ. If you look at individual association rankings, only Americans in the top 10 are Dawson and Cloud.

Super-Middleweight: one of the better divisions for the US, with the main man being Ward but after that, it's almost entirely European, all the other titlists and divisionally ranked boxers.

Middleweight: The main man is an Argentine and arguably the least accomplished of the champions is Quillin and he is the only American with a belt. There are 2-3 Brits in the top 10 and maybe 2-3 Americans in the whole top 20, depending on governing body. The main man behind Martinez at the moment is GGG who is Kazakh and the other champ is Barker, British.

Light-Middleweight: Mayweather has the WBC/WBA belts and is the leading man, the only other titlist is Molina for the IBF if I'm not mistaken. The WBO title is officially vacant. Again there are a spattering of US names in the lower half of the top 20, apart from Trout, other than that most of the fighters are latino.

Welterweight: This is easily the best division for the US, with Floyd as champ and Bradley, Broner and Devon as Titlists.

Light-Welterweight: Garcia is champ, again a decent division for the Americans but below Garcia you have guys like Matthysse, Kim, Khan and so on, a good mix of latinos and Europeans.

Lightweight: Vacant Ring champ but no American titlist, unless you count Broner who hasn't been active there for quite a while. Again lookin at the top 10 or 20 you have a tonne of latino names, a few Europeans and very few Americans. Burns is arguably the man in the division and he's british.

Super-Featherweight: Not a single American champion, some good Jap names and again Latin America has a hold here.

Featherweight: Mikey is supposedly the Ring champ but he doesn't hold any of the titles, all titlists are non-American, one Asian, one European, one from Mexico and the other from the Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken Mikey is moving up in weight so that leaves not a single top ranked American in the division.

I could go lower but the divisions get worse for the US so I'll just stop here.

Out of 17 weight divisions, only 4 have an American Ring champion, 2 of those are Floyd. The welterweight division is easily the best for America but almost every other division has a tonne of top rated guys who are completely non-American, either latino or Europeans. Where is this story of American domination coming from?

Europe and Latin America are at their peak right now.

[JAB5239]

The US has the largest number of fighters in the top? 34? I'm not surprised, the US is the biggest market for the sport and its media. Guys like Broner get ranked as top without hesitation. It's happened time and time again. Bradley was a p4p guy when he didn't deserve to be.

I'm not saying US boxing is rubbish, historically, in the pro ranks, it's always been the best but this list isn't the best way to determine which country is the best in the sport. It just doesn't work out proportionately. Add to that the previously mentioned media factor and you have an unfair advantage in terms of rankings.

If you look at various weight divisions independently, you can see that the US doesn't dominate from top to bottom like it once did.

Heavyweights: The best are two Ukrainian fighters boxing mainly in Germany. The other top guys are Povetkin, Pulev, Haye and Fury. Below that you have a spattering of Americans but none have been convincing and some have falters on the biggest stage.

Cruiserweight: The Ring has Hernandez as champion, he is German/Cuban...none of the other champions are American.

Light-Heavyweight: The main man is Stevenson, who is Canadian, only Hopkins is an American champ at the weight but he is holding the IBF, which is mainly regarded as inferior to the WBA and WBC. Kov is the most dangerous fighter in the division and the WBO champ. If you look at individual association rankings, only Americans in the top 10 are Dawson and Cloud.

Super-Middleweight: one of the better divisions for the US, with the main man being Ward but after that, it's almost entirely European, all the other titlists and divisionally ranked boxers.

Middleweight: The main man is an Argentine and arguably the least accomplished of the champions is Quillin and he is the only American with a belt. There are 2-3 Brits in the top 10 and maybe 2-3 Americans in the whole top 20, depending on governing body. The main man behind Martinez at the moment is GGG who is Kazakh and the other champ is Barker, British.

Light-Middleweight: Mayweather has the WBC/WBA belts and is the leading man, the only other titlist is Molina for the IBF if I'm not mistaken. The WBO title is officially vacant. Again there are a spattering of US names in the lower half of the top 20, apart from Trout, other than that most of the fighters are latino.

Welterweight: This is easily the best division for the US, with Floyd as champ and Bradley, Broner and Devon as Titlists.

Light-Welterweight: Garcia is champ, again a decent division for the Americans but below Garcia you have guys like Matthysse, Kim, Khan and so on, a good mix of latinos and Europeans.

Lightweight: Vacant Ring champ but no American titlist, unless you count Broner who hasn't been active there for quite a while. Again lookin at the top 10 or 20 you have a tonne of latino names, a few Europeans and very few Americans. Burns is arguably the man in the division and he's british.

Super-Featherweight: Not a single American champion, some good Jap names and again Latin America has a hold here.

Featherweight: Mikey is supposedly the Ring champ but he doesn't hold any of the titles, all titlists are non-American, one Asian, one European, one from Mexico and the other from the Caribbean. If I'm not mistaken Mikey is moving up in weight so that leaves not a single top ranked American in the division.

I could go lower but the divisions get worse for the US so I'll just stop here.

Out of 17 weight divisions, only 4 have an American Ring champion, 2 of those are Floyd. The welterweight division is easily the best for America but almost every other division has a tonne of top rated guys who are completely non-American, either latino or Europeans. Where is this story of American domination coming from?

Europe and Latin America are at their peak right now.

The original thread wasn't created to show America's superiority, it was created to show that boxing wasn't dead in the US in response to all the threads being created saying it was. This was just a follow up thread to show increases and decreases in numbers compared to last year. Personally I don't care where a fighter is from if I find him entertaining. So it doesn't matter to me if the US is first or last....just give me good fights!

[soul_survivor]

The original thread wasn't created to show America's superiority, it was created to show that boxing wasn't dead in the US in response to all the threads being created saying it was. This was just a follow up thread to show increases and decreases in numbers compared to last year. Personally I don't care where a fighter is from if I find him entertaining. So it doesn't matter to me if the US is first or last....just give me good fights!

I agree with that, I was just highlighting the fact that your stats are highly misleading, that's all.

[Citizen Koba]

Holing an ABC title does not guarantee a top 10 spot accept by that org.

No, I do agree, and am unsure of whether Shumenov still belongs in the LHW top ten, but Golovkin surely does at MW?

I would say you've done enough number crunching, but if I can be bothered I'll try to list the TBRB - top tens.

Though: no P4P, and I'm not sure whether to count fighters more than once if they rank in more than one division.