Would Roy's fights have been different...

[DiegoFuego]

Go ahead. Corrales may not be as talented as guys like Jones or Tyson, but he has way more heart than any one of those ******* ever could hope for.

[JuicyJuice]

Hopkins, a natural middleweight, had no chance of KOing Jones, who belonged at Light Heavyweight.

What?? Hopkins is much naturally bigger than Jones.

Hopkins won the Philadelphia State prison title at 178lbs in 1984, that was while Roy Jones was winning the National Junior Olympics as a BANTUMWEIGHT.
I know the age difference, but when Jones Jr was 17-18 years old he was competing at 139.

Obviously, though, Hopkins is natural whereas Jones Jr was ofcourse juiced right up to the gills.

[JuicyJuice]

Michael Moorer, Roy Jones, Chris Byrd - all juiced up.

[BLOODSHED]

I think what Diego is trying to argue is that RJJ had his opponents beat before fighting them. They were already discouraged before lacing up the gloves, etc.

Problem is, he would have been exposed before the Tarver fight. Not all 40+ fighters he fought before Tarver were intimidated.

But it does seem like Tarver was the one who seemed genuinely confident in his ability to beat RJJ.

didnt see it
why?

[DiegoFuego]

I think what Diego is trying to argue is that RJJ had his opponents beat before fighting them. They were already discouraged before lacing up the gloves, etc.

Problem is, he would have been exposed before the Tarver fight. Not all 40+ fighters he fought before Tarver were intimidated.

But it does seem like Tarver was the one who seemed genuinely confident in his ability to beat RJJ.

Bingo. This is a perfect post

[Bozo_no no]

Michael Moorer, Roy Jones, Chris Byrd - all steroid junkies.

You forgot Holyfield.

[JuicyJuice]

There does seem to be a pattern..


Lamar Parks wanted to fight Jones in 1992 to decide who was the top middleweight prospect - it didn't happen. (Parks had won 20+ fights and lost none, he was an exciting prospect with heavy hands).

Julian Jackson wanted to challenge Jones in 1993 and 1994 - it didn't happen. (Jackson was a notorious one-punch knockout artist, look what he did to Norris and Graham).

Nigel Benn wanted a super-fight with Jones in 1995 - it didn't happen. (Benn had just beaten Gerald McClellan, McClellan was the last guy to beat Jones fair and square before Tarver got him).

Chris Eubank wanted to challenge Jones in 1996 and 1997 - it didn't happen. (Eubank wanted to come out of retirement and test his skills against Jones, believing that if he got his jab working he could beat him).

Michael Nunn wanted to challenge Jones in 1997 - it didn't happen. (Nunn was the only guy, other than Jones, to treat James Toney like a novice).

Dariusz Michalczewski wanted to challenge Jones from 1998 to 2003 - it didn't happen. (Michalczewski was the true Lineal champion at 175, not Jones).

Joe Calzaghe wanted to challenge Jones from 1996 to 2004 - it didn't happen. (Calzaghe was similar to Jones in that he blew away a weight-drained Eubank like Jones blew away a weight-drained Toney, and blew away just about all other opponents too).

[JuicyJuice]

Richie very bravely came out for the last round against Keith Holmes with a dislocated shoulder because he was clearly winning the fight and only needed to last three mins before he was world champion. He was stopped due to shoulder not knocked out. Afterwards when everybody saw how judges actually had the fight scored, it was shocking and clear proof that Woodhall would of been on the end of terrible robbery. The american commentators even had Woodhall three or four rounds in front. Thats one of the reasons Calzaghe has'nt gone to america and i dont blame him.

You forgot to mention that Woodhall was kept on the WBC mandatory spot for no fewer than 18 months by a certain Mr King!

As soon as it was heard that Woodhall was going to be having a shoulder operation, the fight was arranged for straight away. What a coincidence

I remember Woodhall was going to be challenging Julian Jackson, and Herol Graham was giving him advise to stay on the backfoot.

Woodhall was a good technician with fairly quick hands, good outsider figher and smart thinker. Sometimes he had a kind of peek-a-boo type defence, he was tight and alert. He had won a Gold medal at the 1990 Commonwealth Games, before he turned pro. Woodhall and his Dad had a lot of complaints about both losses, to Holmes and Beyer. He was robbed against Beyer, once he found his range he schooled Beyer for the last five rounds. But nobody could argue about Calzaghe fight, with Woodhall admitting that he'd just been beaten by the better fighter.

[JuicyJuice]

I was in a dispute with my manager for about eight months, he kept me out of the ring. My manager at the time was Frank Warren, and it’s probably the biggest regret of my career that I had a fall out with him because ultimately he kept me out of the ring for eight months and when I came back to defend my title I was beaten by Marcus Beyer and with all respect to Marcus Beyer he was a fighter that should never have beaten me, it was literally ring rust that beat me that night.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/content/articles/2005/03/22/sport_richie_woodhall_feature.shtml

[JuicyJuice]

I remember some experts picked Woodhall to beat Calzaghe.
They competed for 10 high-class rounds but it was the heavier punches of Calzaghe that hurt Woodhall more and more until he could take no more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/1074294.stm