All access "Canelo's impressive time of 3:00 in the 800" wth.

[lfc19titles]

isn't it tougher to do these kind of runs in big bear tho? surely he would have had a better time by about 10 percent or so in normal conditions?

[stefl14]

It would be interesting to get some more context regarding the times of some of Canelo's peers.

Amir Khan's got many faults obviously but he always strikes me as a very good athlete.

I remember Barry McGuigan once spoke about Ken Buchananen. They ran together and Ken with these big old boots on and Barry asked him if he was warming up as he was barely more than walking when they started to jog: 'No, this is just how fast I go, you go ahead!'. But apparently Ken would just able along like that for 2 hours, lol.

Yeah many boxers trained (and some still do) in strange ways. They got away with it because boxing stamina is often about relaxation and being comfortable in the ring. I doubt Duran or James Toney had good times either lol but they had good stamina. Boxing is going the right way now but a lot of guys still do things wrong with ****** slow runs. It's pretty telling that Anthony Joshua at 18st can run the 800m in 2:26 and the 100m in 11.5. The difference between him and a lot of pros is that he was on the olympic program, which is heavily based on sports science and not pseudo-boxing science fitness. Joshua was the best of all the athletes on that program and you wouldn't expect a boxer to be the best but he was because he's naturally good and his training was scientific. Boxing is behind many sports but it's going the right way now fitness wise. I'm pretty sure I've heard about Pacquiao and Mayweather recording some impressive times. My old coach Chris Pyatt (jr middleweight champ but really a fringe/paper champ who beat Sumbu Kalambay when he was past it, only trains pros now) used to run with us for 6 miles at about 6.5 min mile pace in his late 40s and he smoked as well. He reckons he ran 5.5 min miles for 6 miles when he was prime on flat which is incredibly fast but from what I've heard most pros get nowhere near this. I think it's true that British fighters tend to be better conditioned.

As for Amir Khan, when he was 20 years old he clocked 37 min in the Great Manchester Run (10km) when he was 20 which is just under 6 minutes a mile for 6.2 miles which is quite impressive being as he's probably improved and probably wasn't in peak shape at the time. Also, Khan's probably better at sprinting and has fast twitch muscles primarily (see his speed).

[stefl14]

isn't it tougher to do these kind of runs in big bear tho? surely he would have had a better time by about 10 percent or so in normal conditions?

No. See my earlier posts regarding this matter.

[A-Wolf]

you guys do realise he is at 7000-9000ft above sea level. that makes a huge difference. training at altitude is no joke.

Wos about to say.

[Unseen]

Well the time wasn't fast, but he is training in Big bear. The altitude and elevation will affect his times.

When most people train to run, it is on flat, smooth ground. 99% it is never at altitude.

If he was running on sea level then I made a mistake, but I doubt it.

[stefl14]

Wos about to say.

I've already covered this, but for the benefit of you and others, I'll cover it again. You can say you don't believe this if you want, but I trust the judgement of a respected professor in exercise physiology and coach of Olympic athletes who has researched the subject for decades over people on this forum. As this table shows, for 800m the difference between sea level and 10,000ft is 1.4s - and Big Bear is about 7000ft.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

[stefl14]

Well the time wasn't fast, but he is training in Big bear. The altitude and elevation will affect his times.

When most people train to run, it is on flat, smooth ground. 99% it is never at altitude.

If he was running on sea level then I made a mistake, but I doubt it.

See the post I made below and earlier in this thread. I'll keep posting it if people don't read it.

[NEELZ]

If he hasn't done any interval training before. I don't think his times were bad. He is clearly not a track athlete. But I think this type of training will definitely increase endurance. That was the point of it, not to impress people with his times.

[stefl14]

Interesting stuff.

It would be interesting to get some more context regarding the times of some of Canelo's peers.

Amir Khan's got many faults obviously but he always strikes me as a very good athlete.

Or if there is an elite boxer who is notoriously unfit.

I remember Barry McGuigan once spoke about Ken Buchananen. They ran together and Ken with these big old boots on and Barry asked him if he was warming up as he was barely more than walking when they started to jog: 'No, this is just how fast I go, you go ahead!'. But apparently Ken would just amble along like that for 2 hours, lol. I don't think Ken ever had the slightest problem with his stamina.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing...t-rocky-124386 Mcguigan had good pace - sub 6 minute miles for 7 miles - would have been peerless amongst boxers in his time as he says.

Carl Froch http://uk.askmen.com/sports/bodybuil...ns_health.html
6 min miles for 7 miles - again very impressive especially for a man who weighs over 170.

It seems as if the Brits really are fitter fighters.

[Check_hooks]

What do yall expect? Hes drained as f***

Hes barely eating and drinking anything