All access "Canelo's impressive time of 3:00 in the 800" wth.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

you guys do realise he is at 7000-9000ft above sea level. that makes a huge difference. training at altitude is no joke.

[Sparked_26]

you guys do realise he is at 7000-9000ft above sea level. that makes a huge difference. training at altitude is no joke.

Fair point, I didn't factor this in.

I have no idea what that is like.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Fair point, I didn't factor this in.

I have no idea what that is like.

well next time you run put your hand over your mouth, that will give you an idea. 800m at sea level in 3 minutes is an average time. at big bear its a very good time.

[stefl14]

you guys do realise he is at 7000-9000ft above sea level. that makes a huge difference. training at altitude is no joke.

I did factor this in. It makes virtually no difference at this distance. I had to check because his times are shocking so I almost couldn't believe them - I also thought it must be altitude.
http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html gives this.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

So the difference between sea level and 10000 feet is a mighty 1.4 seconds and big bear is more like 7000ft.

[stefl14]

Fair point, I didn't factor this in.

I have no idea what that is like.

See post above. At 800m and at the height they are at in Big Bear, it's not worth considering.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

I did factor this in. It makes virtually no difference at this distance.
http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html gives this.

Predicted 0.8 km Finish Times by Altitude
Elevation Time min/km min/mile
sea level 2:59.5 3:44.4 6:01.2
1000 ft (305 m) 2:59.7 3:44.6 6:01.4
2000 ft (610 m) 2:59.8 3:44.8 6:01.7
3000 ft (914 m) 2:59.9 3:44.9 6:02.0
4000 ft (1219 m) 3:00.1 3:45.1 6:02.3
5000 ft (1524 m) 3:00.2 3:45.3 6:02.5
6000 ft (1829 m) 3:00.4 3:45.4 6:02.8
7000 ft (2134 m) 3:00.5 3:45.6 6:03.1
8000 ft (2438 m) 3:00.6 3:45.8 6:03.4
9000 ft (2743 m) 3:00.8 3:46.0 6:03.6
10000 ft (3048 m) 3:00.9 3:46.1 6:03.9
Calculations are based on data from Daniels' Running Formula by Jack Daniels PhD.

So the difference between sea level and 10000 feet is a mighty 1.4 seconds and big bear is more like 7000ft.

i have trained at both sea level and as high as 12,000 feet. i will call bs on that. running at altitude is much harder than a couple of seconds.

[Nagabilly]

My HS just had a running test. 900 m. Out of 240 people the best was 3.27, and he's obviously not a professional athlete.

[stefl14]

i have trained at both sea level and as high as 12,000 feet. i will call bs on that. running at altitude is much harder than a couple of seconds.

I've ran at altitude also but it doesn't really qualify me. It's not BS, it's based on work by a professor in sports science and coach of olympic athletes. If you know more than him then quit you day job. You've got to consider here than 800m is largely an anaerobic event that requires some aerobic endurance. Also, 7000ft is really not that high.

[stefl14]

My HS just had a running test. 900 m. Out of 240 people the best was 3.27, and he's obviously not a professional athlete.

900m - wtf is that? Your high school sucks in any case. When I was 14 we had 2-3 guys in my year (probably 125 guys as girls can be ignored) who got sub 2.30 and 1 who got a 2:22. These aren't exactly national level times - the people who did them were just people who did a lot of sport and athletics (one of them was actually 2nd in the UK for triple jump but he got 2:32 or something and triple jump requires totally different attributes to 800m) but they were not anywhere near even county level obviously as 2:22 terrible even at that age if we're talking national level or anywhere near it.

[Sparked_26]

Interesting stuff.

It would be interesting to get some more context regarding the times of some of Canelo's peers.

Amir Khan's got many faults obviously but he always strikes me as a very good athlete.

Or if there is an elite boxer who is notoriously unfit.

I remember Barry McGuigan once spoke about Ken Buchananen. They ran together and Ken with these big old boots on and Barry asked him if he was warming up as he was barely more than walking when they started to jog: 'No, this is just how fast I go, you go ahead!'. But apparently Ken would just amble along like that for 2 hours, lol. I don't think Ken ever had the slightest problem with his stamina.