Why are people saying Canelo is the biggest strongest Floyd has faced?

[BoxingGenius27]

In all honesty the greatest thing Oscar did at 154 is get jobbed by Mosley. (Oscar won that fight). However he was a part time fighter by then and a known party man. I consider it safe to say that Canelo right now is a better jr middleweight than that.

And Floyd does need the catchweight because he sees that too. He never expected Canelo to beat Trout, He seen the kid handle a big, strong, skilled jr middleweight and knew he'd be pressured into the fight and decided to enforce a catchweight to his advantage.

DLH's KO over a roided Vargas trumps anything Canelo has ever accomplished. Canelo is in fact a poor man's Vargas. That's not even counting his KO wins over that one Mexican cat who was like 58-4, I forgot his name.

Anyway, Hey man, I know Trout is your boy and all but if we're being honest, Trout is a descent fighter. Canelo didn't "handle" anything in that fight and looked very amateurish at times.

I didn't even think Trout would beat Cotto to be honest; that shows you how much faith I had in Trout. I remember him fighting Rodriguez in a fight that I thought was more competitive than what the scorecards showed.

Trout as zero punching power and is a descent/awkward boxer at best. I can name at least 4 more proven better JMW's than Trout. Don't get me wrong, it was a "GREAT" much needed step up in competition for Canelo, but just because you finally stepped up and fought a solid contender in your weight class and won doesn't mean you win the Super Bowl.

Canelo-Trout was a 50/50 fight for me. It was more of a gauge test than anything for both fighters.

[BoxingGenius27]

Oscar struggled like hell vs B-Hop and Strum he looked a Aids patient when comparing body type to Bernard in that fight. Oscar didn't look to mucher bigger than Floyd than how Canelo looked when him and Floyd Faced off and Floyd is bigger now than in 07.

Oscar didn't look much bigger than Floyd?

And hell yea Oscar would struggle like hell against B-Hop. Outside prime Roy Jones, who hasn't?

[Bushbaby]

DLH's KO over a roided Vargas trumps anything Canelo has ever accomplished. Canelo is in fact a poor man's Vargas. That's not even counting his KO wins over that one Mexican cat who was like 58-4, I forgot his name.

Anyway, Hey man, I know Trout is your boy and all but if we're being honest, Trout is a descent fighter. Canelo didn't "handle" anything in that fight and looked very amateurish at times.

I didn't even think Trout would beat Cotto to be honest; that shows you how much faith I had in Trout. I remember him fighting Rodriguez in a fight that I thought was more competitive than what the scorecards showed.

Trout as zero punching power and is a descent/awkward boxer at best. I can name at least 4 more proven better JMW's than Trout. Don't get me wrong, it was a "GREAT" much needed step up in competition for Canelo, but just because you finally stepped up and fought a solid contender in your weight class and won doesn't mean you win the Super Bowl.

Canelo-Trout was a 50/50 fight for me. It was more of a gauge test than anything for both fighters.

I don't know how I forgot about Vargas but that was a great win.

Anyway, so let me get this straight. You're telling me that even though Floyd fought a part time Oscar and a near shot Cotto at 154. He needs a catchweight to fight the lesser Canelo there because he looks like crap against the better fighters huh?? That's some weird reasoning bro.

[BoxingGenius27]

I don't know how I forgot about Vargas but that was a great win.

Anyway, so let me get this straight. You're telling me that even though Floyd fought a part time Oscar and a near shot Cotto at 154. He needs a catchweight to fight the lesser Canelo there because he looks like crap against the better fighters huh?? That's some weird reasoning bro.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 154 just isn't a good weight for Floyd.

You get those same fighters at 147 and Floyd taxes their ass. @ 154, not at all..

That's why Floyd wanted to re-match DLH at 147 and everyone knew Floyd would've destroyed him as compared to the first fight. It's probably the same with Cotto.

154 just isn't a good fit for Floyd; guys can man handle him there. But you put those same guys at 147 and it's a different story.

[Bushbaby]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. 154 just isn't a good weight for Floyd.

You get those same fighters at 147 and Floyd taxes their ass. @ 154, not at all

Needing the catchweight for the lesser fighter is about as absurd an excuse as I've heard.

[BoxingGenius27]

Needing the catchweight for the lesser fighter is about as absurd an excuse as I've heard.

Take it how you want. Floyd would probably fight Angulo or Kirkland at a catchweight also. Floyd just sucks at 154...

But don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the catchweight. I just don't think Floyd belongs at 154.... But yes, the catchweight is more based on Floyd's previous performances and guys being able to man handle and bully him around than it having to do specifically with Canelo

[Bushbaby]

Take it how you want. Floyd would probably fight Angulo or Kirkland at a catchweight also. Floyd just sucks at 154...

But don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the catchweight. I just don't think Floyd belongs at 154.... But yes, the catchweight is more based on Floyd's previous performances and guys being able to man handle and bully him around than it having to do specifically with Canelo

I think it has everything to do with Canelo. This is the pfp king, greatest of his generation and 2 time jr middleweight champion we're talking bout bro.

Edit: Who very recently talked man crap about his counterpart and catchweights too.

[elchurro420]

[BoxingGenius27]

I think it has everything to do with Canelo. This is the pfp king, greatest of his generation and 2 time jr middleweight champion we're talking bout bro.

Edit: Who very recently talked man crap about his counterpart and catchweights too.

I get the contradiction in recent statements about catchweights. But, in my book, Floyd isn't really a JMW... He just isn't.. That's why when people say if he beats Canelo he'll be some kind of "Lineal" champ, I disagree. Because, again, Canelo's whole claim to fame is Austin Trout right now, who in himself wasn't fighting the top guys in the division.

Kirkland, Lara, Angulo, Williams, Molina, etc were all in the mix at 154 by fighting each other. Floyd and Canelo were never in this mix which is why I can't really say that either of them are really proven JMW's.... And regarding Floyd, rightfully so. He shouldn't be fighting the above guys because quite frankly, he doesn't belong in the weight class.

Kinda similar to saying Manny Pacquiao is a former JMW champ. No he isn't. But at least with Floyd he's actually beaten someone at 154 before realizing he's just not big enough to cut it.

But again, I hear what you're saying regarding the contradictions; I agree.

[The Noose]

Your thread title says "Why are people saying Canelo is the biggest strongest Floyd has faced?"

But you then go on to say ...

That's not true.

DLH at 154 was faster, had more experience and far more deadly than Canelo... That's just the way it is.

Being bigger and stronger, and being faster and more experienced are totally different things.

So you cant say Canelo isnt the biggest strongest opponent, because Oscar was faster and more experienced. Thats like saying Canelo isnt that fast because Oscar is married.

Genius? lol