size matters.... Floyd's gonna find out....

[shacasulu]

Heres the problem with your analysis.

While most believe De La Hoya and Cotto made Floyd look his worst you are not taking into consideration that both of them did something that people believe was the cause of him looking bad: Cotto's and De La Hoya's pressure on Floyd.

Canelo on the other hand doesnt pressure for ****!

Thats not his game plan and he is not good at it unless its against not good fighter like Lopez, Gomez, etc. and even then he doesnt look that great at it.

Canelo is actually more of a counter puncher more than anything that will just stand in front of you. He use to actually dance when he was at welterweight but now he is way more stationary wanting to counter punch. He usually tries to throw his right over the jab alot.

De La Hoya and Cotto had similar gameplans in pressuring Floyd but thats not Canelo's gameplan.

[billeau2]

all this conjecture about floyd using his feet is pointless....

cos the evidence we have of floyd at 154....

suggests he won't move as much or as well....

his performances vs. delahoya and cotto are amongst his worst....


and i repeat they're still 'naturally' smaller than canelo....


added to that canelo's quicker than cotto, and cotto landed a lot....

canelo's gonna be more crafty than delahoya..... and delahoya still managed to back floyd up and make him uncomfortable...

Cotto and De LaHoya are distinct, they bare very little similarity. De La Hoya had some success with his jab....period and Floyd shut it down, or Oscar stopped. Lets remember that there is a certain weakness to dealing with a jabber when shoulder rolling and countering, it would not be the first time a good jab took a while to neutralize. Toney (good choice of avatar!!) has had some similar quandries because a jab is hard to counter from the shoulder roll.

With Cotto Floyd mixed it up...Fact of the matter is Floyd showed a lot of strength in fighting Cotto inside.. Cotto is a severly underestimated fighter imo. Canelo may be quicker than Cotto but he is not better at setting up his shots, fighting inside than Cotto

And slicker than De La Hoya? nothing slick about Canelo. Like a lot of Mexican fighters he does have a lot of fighting experience per his age but not at the level that will help when fighting Floyd.

[shacasulu]

Heres the problem with your analysis.

While most believe De La Hoya and Cotto made Floyd look his worst you are not taking into consideration that both of them did something that people believe was the cause of him looking bad: Cotto's and De La Hoya's pressure on Floyd.

Canelo on the other hand doesnt pressure for ****!

Thats not his game plan and he is not good at it unless its against not good fighter like Lopez, Gomez, etc. and even then he doesnt look that great at it.

Canelo is actually more of a counter puncher more than anything that will just stand in front of you. He use to actually dance when he was at welterweight but now he is way more stationary wanting to counter punch. He usually tries to throw his right over the jab alot.

De La Hoya and Cotto had similar gameplans in pressuring Floyd but thats not Canelo's gameplan.



Where is the pressure?????

Like I said that is not who fundamentally Canelo is.

[James_Toney]

Cotto and De LaHoya are distinct, they bare very little similarity. De La Hoya had some success with his jab....period and Floyd shut it down, or Oscar stopped. Lets remember that there is a certain weakness to dealing with a jabber when shoulder rolling and countering, it would not be the first time a good jab took a while to neutralize. Toney (good choice of avatar!!) has had some similar quandries because a jab is hard to counter from the shoulder roll.

With Cotto Floyd mixed it up...Fact of the matter is Floyd showed a lot of strength in fighting Cotto inside.. Cotto is a severly underestimated fighter imo. Canelo may be quicker than Cotto but he is not better at setting up his shots, fighting inside than Cotto

And slicker than De La Hoya? nothing slick about Canelo. Like a lot of Mexican fighters he does have a lot of fighting experience per his age but not at the level that will help when fighting Floyd.

here's the real point though...

i think floyd would have had shutouts against both dlh and cotto at 147

154 made those fights somewhat competitive.

[James_Toney]

Heres the problem with your analysis.

While most believe De La Hoya and Cotto made Floyd look his worst you are not taking into consideration that both of them did something that people believe was the cause of him looking bad: Cotto's and De La Hoya's pressure on Floyd.

Canelo on the other hand doesnt pressure for ****!

Thats not his game plan and he is not good at it unless its against not good fighter like Lopez, Gomez, etc. and even then he doesnt look that great at it.

Canelo is actually more of a counter puncher more than anything that will just stand in front of you. He use to actually dance when he was at welterweight but now he is way more stationary wanting to counter punch. He usually tries to throw his right over the jab alot.

De La Hoya and Cotto had similar gameplans in pressuring Floyd but thats not Canelo's gameplan.



Where is the pressure?????

Like I said that is not who fundamentally Canelo is.

my primary concern is that floyd's yet to convince me at 154.....

if floyd had fought cotto at 147, i think he woulda whooped him something terrible.... and the same goes for dlh.....

floyd seems less mobile at 154.....

at 154 those fights were competitive to some degree..... at 147 they're shutout victories for floyd....

i think questioning styles is besides the point.... boxing is and will fundamentally always be a 'fist fight'..... and when you have a heavier guy hitting/ wearing on you it takes a physical toll.... and it should not be overlooked.... you don't have to have brawling style to physically dominate your opponent.

[shacasulu]

my primary concern is that floyd's yet to convince me at 154.....

if floyd had fought cotto at 147, i think he woulda whooped him something terrible.... and the same goes for dlh.....

floyd seems less mobile at 154.....

at 154 those fights were competitive to some degree..... at 147 they're shutout victories for floyd....

i think questioning styles is besides the point.... boxing is and will fundamentally always be a 'fist fight'..... and when you have a heavier guy hitting/ wearing on you it takes a physical toll.... and it should not be overlooked.... you don't have to have brawling style to physically dominate your opponent.

I understand if your not convinced by Floyd at 154 but the reasons you choose are completely flawed imo.

A guy is wearing on you because HE IS PRESSURING YOU!

Why do you think Floyd ducked Margarito and schooled the man that destroyed Margarito???? Margarito is just a harder style for Floyd to fight against because of that pressure Margarito puts on you.

Its the pressure that always makes Floyd not look at his best.

Look at Hatton, De La Hoya, Cotto, Jesus Chavez, and Castillo 1 are fights where Floyd didnt look his best because the dudes where trying to pressure Floyd alot.

That is not who Canelo is.

[pbftxrs316]

canelo gets stopped by round 9 after a one sided ass spanking....you people have to up your knowledge of floyd. canelo is going to get stomped. i'm not sold on him giving a valiant effort to make it a good fight. it is nothing more than a brutal showcase from floyd once he figures canelo out which won't take long folks. just wait and see......

[shacasulu]

Also OP take into consideration punch output, thats an area that Canelo is not taht great at and also gases.

[HarvardBlue]

I agree Canelo's size will be a huge advantage against Floyd but his other flaws might neutralize it. Canelo's stamina and movement is suspect. If he doesn't make significant changes for this fight then the advantage goes to Mayweather. Canelo can punch and also he can take a punch. Mosely hit him flush numerous times with little effect. The only problem with that is he didn't apply any extra pressure on Mosely but he was able to counter him effectively. Not sure that style will work against Mayweather. This is a hard fight to predict. Both of them have different reasons they should to get a victory. I won't be surprised if there's an upset, but I refuse to predict against Mayweather until I see it happen.

[hectari]

Left him in bed for days?! WTF, are you his girl or something???

Why would you say that? It was reported by Roach that Pacman was in bed and couldn't really get up for a few days, he even missed an interview with George Lopez and TMZ after the fight, TMZ and Lopez eve said he was stuck in bed in pain.

You are weird man, I don't get why you would try to say wtf are you his girl or something makes no sense.