Do You Think Marquez is An ATG, First Ballot?

[GRboxing]

Man how do you cook up a robbery with press scores like this:

"Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remaining 36 scored the bout a draw."

What do you call this then?

"Among the experts above, 121 scored the bout for Pacquiao, 1 scored the bout a draw, and 1 scored the bout for Bradley."


Do you see the qualitative difference? Hey, do you know any other all time robberies with the scene editors both scoring it for the wrong guy?

Do you defend Pacquiao all day every day? You must get notifications on your phone or something.

[DudeN561]

I feel Juan Manuel Marquez is an ATG and first ballot HOF. He has a great resume, amazing boxing skills, great recovery, extremely professional and absolute one of the most intelligent boxers to lace up the glove's. He does have some bouts that are questionable at this point in his career: Likar Ramos and Serhiy Fedchenko (the Fedchenko bout was unnecessary). As far as the steroid allegations, that's all they are, allegations.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

First Ballot HOFer,, yes

ATG,, yes but on the low end of the ATG scale,,,,

His ko win vs manny was a great win, probably greater win than anything holyfield, hearns, floyd, or roy has,,,

I rate ATG by how well they would do in any era,,, JMM would be a great fighter in any era,, I just dont think his resume is top level ATG when compared to SRR, Ali, SRL etc..

But still, he is a great fighter, most def an ATG, just on the low end of the ATG,,,

[The Big Dunn]

he is definitely a 1st ballot HOF'er. ATG, I'm on the fence on that. He is definitely great.

[New England]

He teamed up with Memo months before their third fight. Anyone that trains professionally, as hard as Marquez does, is going to bulk up if they focus on it and that is what they focused on. Bulk and muscle. It really isn't hard....just a lot of work. When you're paid millions to do it professionally though....

if the transformation marquez went through was natural everybody would be doing it. 38 year olds do not overhaul their bodies like that without drugs.


i've been lifting weights for almost 10 years now. there's an iceberg's chance i hell that marquez is natural, especially when you consider that the transformation only came about when he hooked up with a known and self professed steroid guru.

[The Surgeon]

For certain. First ballot hall of famer and an ATG along with Pacquaio, Morales and Barrera

Been a joy watching these guys forge their legacy's

[GoldenGloveLove]

Reading through these comments man I can't believe how underrated Marquez's record is "minus Pacquiao". And why are we "minusing Pacquiao"? What kinda dumbazz idea is that? Why don't we take George Foreman's record and b!tch about how bad it is minus his best three wins. Hey whys this guy an ATG when you don't count Frazier Norton and Moorer? ...WTF?

[HeroBando]

Reading through these comments man I can't believe how underrated Marquez's record is "minus Pacquiao". And why are we "minusing Pacquiao"? What kinda dumbazz idea is that? Why don't we take George Foreman's record and b!tch about how bad it is minus his best three wins. Hey whys this guy an ATG when you don't count Frazier Norton and Moorer? ...WTF?

Obviously 1 is different than 3, you don't speak of foils if it's 3. It's different if a single guy boosts you from non 1st ballot to ATG. Like I've seen guys rank that shot Casa as a top 3 Marquez win (if you take Pac as 1). And I just saw guys rate Mosley as an F for Pac. Mosley was probably better than that Casa is a p4p sense, forget h2h. He would have murdered Casa h2h.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The thing about jmm is he is alot like hopkins,,, couldnt land any big name fights in his prime and didnt really become well known till later in his career,,,

JMM would be ranked alot higher if he landed the prince fight and beat him like MAB did, but prince wouldnt fight a no-namer like jmm at the time,,, thats the biggest thing that hurts jmm IMO

I still think he has alot of great wins over diaz, casamoyer, MAB, Gainer, katsidis

would have loved to see him and morales got at it,,,,

[pistol whip]

if the transformation marquez went through was natural everybody would be doing it. 38 year olds do not overhaul their bodies like that without drugs.


i've been lifting weights for almost 10 years now. there's an iceberg's chance i hell that marquez is natural, especially when you consider that the transformation only came about when he hooked up with a known and self professed steroid guru.

Are you really trying to compare yourself with Juan Manuel Marquez?


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