Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao Says Freddie Roach Fired Alex Ariza

[Cinci Champ]

if he got off the juice then why keep ariza around? why not get rid of ariza back in 2011 (the year where pac started to show a bit of decline)? and pac moved up from flyweight all the way to super featherweight winning 4 world titles in 4 different weight divisions and 3 lineal titles all without ariza....

you know what is su****ious is a guy who hires a known steroid chemist and shows incredible almost impossible results at age 39 and doesn't even bother to submit to extra testing.........

why do you think morales posted on his twitter that the mexican pharmacy was better then the phillipines pharmacy this time he was saying marquez steroids were better then pac mans this fight. i mean i dont understand how everyone can assume marquez is on something but ignore everything when it comes to pac man. its a joke nothing adds up for pac but when it happens with marquez its somehow different

[itsafight]

how come pac didn't look that spectacular in most of his last few fights?

Before the Marquez KO manny looked back to his best....

[kingzapata02]

why do you think morales posted on his twitter that the mexican pharmacy was better then the phillipines pharmacy this time he was saying marquez steroids were better then pac mans this fight. i mean i dont understand how everyone can assume marquez is on something but ignore everything when it comes to pac man. its a joke nothing adds up for pac but when it happens with marquez its somehow different

exactly natikid, but I believe marquez is a clean fighter.... he past all the test...the way he talks about training and how hard its...9 hrs a day 5 days a week for 4 months...marquez has pride and honor, I don't think he would mess around and tarnish his name...hbo made a big deal of it tho but that's the way it is now...no one can do nothing great without speculation and its sad

[AP♠]

well it was already well documented that freddie and ariza's working relationship and friendship was going downhill back in 2012 when ariza abruptly left camp in the philippines to help out chavez jr.....

it's not like this firing is coming out of nowhere...i'm not surprised freddie has had enough with ariza..i think also the fact that ariza has been hanging out too much with heredia lately is giving roach some concerns as well..

Yes I'm aware that all that has been documented and I'm surprised the rift has lasted for so long. It took a brutal knockout for Team Pacquiao to have doubts over Marquez's performance when in fact it was Marquez who pleaded for further testing before the fight even started. It's hard to defend Pacquiao with those things. Like I said I used to be a fan back when Pacmania was first hott but there's too many margins of disbelief and with counter lawsuits who's gonna want to mention anything that pertains to PEDs without the right proof?

[Rapid Counter]

Something doesn't ring true. How can Roach fire Ariza when Ariza is hired by Manny Pacquiao? What's next, Freddie Roach fires Manny's dentist and hair stylist? Makes no sense to me.

[HWChampion]

You mean the first guy to make Pac run away from tests for $40 million? Yes, him.

No you must be mistaken we are talking about that street thug who walked away from 100 million.

[waxfondler]

wow.... its funny how pac hit rock bottom & his haters are STILL not happy. thats some true emotion from "real" boxing fans huh?

IMO, pac never gave me that "WTF?!?" moment in regards to physicality or performances. he didnt have KO power @ 147 (oscar, clottey, cotto all said he didnt hit hard).... he ALWAYS had amazing conditioning & workrate... what are these "signs" of PED abuse everyone keeps parroting? enlarged head? ariza shakes??? LOL. c'mon son.

but jmm indeed had me scratching my head when he revealed the hulk version of himself (note the scrawny legs). his new found power and punch resistance and his obvious physique along with memo obviously comes off suspect. but i wouldnt go as far to accuse the guy of being a cheater.... i know people who do crossfit that bulked up in a matter of 2-3 months clean, which proves that a focused regimen will show visible results. but it was definitely a shock to see an older fighter show up with that physique at that phase in his career. imagine if b-hop showed up looking like jeff lacy for his next fight????

[itsafight]

exactly natikid, but I believe marquez is a clean fighter.... he past all the test...the way he talks about training and how hard its...9 hrs a day 5 days a week for 4 months...marquez has pride and honor, I don't think he would mess around and tarnish his name...hbo made a big deal of it tho but that's the way it is now...no one can do nothing great without speculation and its sad

PEDs are used for many things and can obviously enhance training. Training for 9 hours a day with intensity is inhuman if he does that consistently. That in itself is a red flag.

[Evol]

All bad for manny.. I really do feel that ariza plays a good role in making sure PAC is in tip top shape. I think Freddie's beef with Alex is more personal. I think roach wants all the attention. PAC was looking his best when he had that black guy working with them. I remember watching clips of him telling manny to keep his hands up after manny threw a punch. Roach needs another set of eyes to help him. He can't always see the things that PAC is doing wrong.

[Rapid Counter]

wow.... its funny how pac hit rock bottom & his haters are STILL not happy. thats some true emotion from "real" boxing fans huh?

IMO, pac never gave me that "WTF?!?" moment in regards to physicality or performances. he didnt have KO power @ 147 (oscar, clottey, cotto all said he didnt hit hard).... he ALWAYS had amazing conditioning & workrate... what are these "signs" of PED abuse everyone keeps parroting? enlarged head? ariza shakes??? LOL. c'mon son.

but jmm indeed had me scratching my head when he revealed the hulk version of himself (note the scrawny legs). his new found power and punch resistance and his obvious physique along with memo obviously comes off suspect. but i wouldnt go as far to accuse the guy of being a cheater.... i know people who do crossfit that bulked up in a matter of 2-3 months clean, which proves that a focused regimen will show visible results. but it was definitely a shock to see an older fighter show up with that physique at that phase in his career. imagine if b-hop showed up looking like jeff lacy for his next fight????

Makes no sense. On one hand you are saying that Manny doesn't have KO power at 147 and on the other hand you are talking about Marquez's new found punch resistance. Even though Marquez has never been stopped.