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  • Frank Ducketts
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    #81
    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
    Nothing comfortable about that victory.

    And he won't be fine when he fights a top level fighter. He won't be fine at all.

    He hasn't been fine fighting the low level opposition he's been fighting.
    According to whom, you?

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    • IronDanHamza
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      #82
      Originally posted by bojangles1987
      Maidana is one of the hardest punchers in the sport, he just hasn't had good technique to get the most out of that power. He's improved lately, but we'll see how that translates against better competition.
      Based on what? If Maidana was one of the hardest punchers in the sport he'd have got Morales, Khan and Corley out of there.

      Maidana can punch but he's not even nearly one of the hardest punchers in the sport. He's one of the most overrated punchers Infact.

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      • bojangles1987
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        #83
        Originally posted by IronDanHamza
        Based on what? If Maidana was one of the hardest punchers in the sport he'd have got Morales, Khan and Corley out of there.

        Maidana can punch but he's not even nearly one of the hardest punchers in the sport. He's one of the most overrated punchers Infact.
        I think its because of how clubbing and wild his shots are. I'm not saying he's Julian Jackson, but he doesn't usually throw as fast or straight as you would want. He didn't get Morales or Corley out because he was crap against them. He probably should have gotten Khan out of there but Cortez kept jumping in the way.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #84
          Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
          According to whom, you?
          Is what according to me?

          My post? Yes my post was according to me.

          Broners victory over Pauli was far from comfortable. The only time he was on control of the fight was the middle rounds.

          And, Broner has clearly struggled in his career on numerous occasions and his opposition has been pitiful for the most part. Assuming he will be fine when he finally steps up in class is a long shot.

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #85
            Originally posted by bojangles1987
            I think its because of how clubbing and wild his shots are. I'm not saying he's Julian Jackson, but he doesn't usually throw as fast or straight as you would want. He didn't get Morales or Corley out because he was crap against them. He probably should have gotten Khan out of there but Cortez kept jumping in the way.
            The reasoning you've given adds to why he's not one of the hardest punchers in the sport.

            Who has Maidana taken out with single punches?

            Danny Garcia isn't one of the hardest punchers in the sport and compare his fights with Morales and Khans to Maidanas.

            If he fights a bum he knocks them out. If he fights someone decent he stops them on their feet.

            And even then, sometimes he doesn't hurt them at all and goes the distance.

            If he fights someone good more time than not he doesn't stop them or loses.

            I wouldn't consider that to be one of the hardest punchers in the sport.

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              #86
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              The reasoning you've given adds to why he's not one of the hardest punchers in the sport.

              Who has Maidana taken out with single punches?

              Danny Garcia isn't one of the hardest punchers in the sport and compare his fights with Morales and Khans to Maidanas.

              If he fights a bum he knocks them out. If he fights someone decent he stops them on their feet.

              If he fights someone good more time than not he doesn't stop them or loses.

              I wouldn't consider that to be one of the hardest punchers in the sport.
              Nothing wrong with this post, maidana hits very hard, but not at world level because while sometimes he will stun them or hurt them he doesn't get the stoppage. Hope he stops Broner though.

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              • Frank Ducketts
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                #87
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                Is what according to me?

                My post? Yes my post was according to me.

                Broners victory over Pauli was far from comfortable. The only time he was on control of the fight was the middle rounds.

                And, Broner has clearly struggled in his career on numerous occasions and his opposition has been pitiful for the most part. Assuming he will be fine when he finally steps up in class is a long shot.
                Broner hasn't struggled with anyone in the ring to date. I'm talking about a real struggle, not enough struggle where you can come up with this dubious attempt at criticism of Broner.

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                • IronDanHamza
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by Frank Ducketts
                  Broner hasn't struggled with anyone in the ring to date. I'm talking about a real struggle, not enough struggle where you can come up with this dubious attempt at criticism of Broner.
                  Well he clearly struggled with Quintero and Ponce De Leon.

                  One of which is a bum and the other is dead average.

                  He also struggled with Malignaggi.

                  Other than Demarco, he hasn't beaten a decent ranked contender with comfort accross 130-147.

                  I see you're in denial though.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    Nothing comfortable about that victory.

                    And he won't be fine when he fights a top level fighter. He won't be fine at all.

                    He hasn't been fine fighting the low level opposition he's been fighting.
                    hes beaten every low level guy hes fought quite easily. i dont understand how he hasnt been fine. and as far as the victory, it was a clear win for me. it may not have been a dominating performance, but broner looked pretty comfortable all night. does he have work to do? absolutely. is he unbeatable? by no means. but he has a pretty good foundation to work from. im honestly not worried about him vs top competition. he fights maidana, looks great, and suddenly he'll be the next best thing again. thats how it goes around here. a lot of his initial hype wasnt warranted, but then again that wasnt all his fault.

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                    • IronDanHamza
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by shenmue
                      Nothing wrong with this post, maidana hits very hard, but not at world level because while sometimes he will stun them or hurt them he doesn't get the stoppage. Hope he stops Broner though.
                      No questioning he can punch.

                      He just isn't one of he hardest punchers in the sport.

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