Wlad surpasses Holmes...

[Marcov]

abc bodies suck, but wlad's still a beast.

unfortunately, you can't give him credit for a lineal championship until chagaev.

He would have to beat his brother to claim it too.

[LacedUp]

Guys from those days have an automatic advantage in this and guys like Wlad will immediately be discredited.

Unfortunately that's very true and why I made this thread.

But at the same time, Wlad wasn't considered the champ before 2009, maybe even 2011, so how can you justify putting him ahead of Holmes, who was undisputed for 5 years?

[BattlingNelson]

and still my statement stands, odd that.

No it doesn't.

[yoz]

There's a big difference from being a title holder and "The" Champion.

[DreamFighter]

He would have to beat his brother to claim it too.

who ironically wouldn't have a title if his brother wasn't around to tag team with him.

[BattlingNelson]

Unfortunately that's very true and why I made this thread.

But at the same time, Wlad wasn't considered the champ before 2009, maybe even 2011, so how can you justify putting him ahead of Holmes, who was undisputed for 5 years?

Holmes wasn't undisputed for 5 years. Fact is he never was undisputed.

[Verstyle]

I could surpass Holmes if I was fighting guys with cancer, grandads, fatboys who gass in a few rounds, those 70 pounds lighter than me or unranked cherrypicked virtual amateurs.

f Wlad was fighting Holmes opponents he'd not get one fifth of the way.

???You do realize Holmes fought is a terrible era as well right?

[BKM-2010]

Tyson is considered youngest heavyweight champion even though he did it as a title holder and Patterson was actually younger as a linear champ. Then Wlad could be considered one of the longest reigning champions of the heavyweights.

[LacedUp]

Holmes wasn't undisputed for 5 years. Fact is he never was undisputed.

He beat ring champ Ali and heavyweight champ Norton. He held the ring and WBC which to me is as good as. Specially as no one else had a claim to be the champ.

I know the WBA kept changing hands etc, but we all know Holmes was known as the champ and that's the point. I should have said 'lineal' instead.

Wlad wasn't the champ.

[LacedUp]

Tyson is considered youngest heavyweight champion even though he did it as a title holder and Patterson was actually younger as a linear champ. Then Wlad could be considered one of the longest reigning champions of the heavyweights.

Except that Patterson is pretty much recognized by all as the youngest champ.

Tyson is just the youngest beltholder.