Wlad surpasses Holmes...

[yoz]

Was he number 2? Has there ever been a long reigning champion that has never fought the number 2 guy other than Wlad? I know Klitschko fans love their facts.

Ha ha ha, you're pathetic, you really are.

You're still sore from Davie's loss.

I didn't say he defeated the number 2 - that's his bro. He defeated the next best though

[RadioBox]

@Yoz.

I know you are not a Klittard and I think you are a Lewis fan as well so I will try to illustrate a point here.

Lennox Lewis build his resume by beating a impressive amount of good fighters(especially punchers)... he also beat Holyfield twice.. now even though that version of Evander was not the best version.. it was still an elite Evander Holyfield who lost to Lennox. Holyfield is generally regarded as the 2nd greatest Heavyweight of Lennox's era. You combine that win with the numerous other good wins Lennox had and it adds up to an ATG Heavyweight career.

If we had TAKEN OUT Holyfield and replace that victory with say a Rid**** Bowe AND an Ike Ibubechi.. instead.. it will be a resume that is still ATG material and arguably the Bowe/Ike wins will be>than just beating an older Holyfield.. but in that case.. Lewis would never have beaten the 'other guy' of his era.

Wladimir's 'good wins' are not quite as good as Lennox's AND he never beaten the clear #2 of his era.. You using the rankings of Byrd/Ruslan as examples saying Wlad did beat the #2(at some point) is deceptive.. because when history looks back upon the Post-Lewis era.. the 2 greatest heavyweights are NOT Wladimir and Byrd.. they are not Wladimir and Ruslan.. they are Wladimir and Vitali.. Hence Vitali is the #2.

What's even more troubling is ...... this is one of the rare cases where the #2 ... is actually favored over the #1... Even if Lewis-Holyfield never fought.. most people will lean towards Lewis.. Floyd and Pac never fought, but most people lean towards Floyd...... Vitali is actually the favorite against Wlad.. hence distorting the entire concept that Wladimir is the #1.

I firmly believe that if Vitali and Wladimir were not related.. Wladimir's career would have ended because he would have suffered his 4th KO DEFEAT against Vitali in 2008/2009.

Wladimir is the ONLY #1 that I can think of who is actually an under dog against the #2.... which is contradictory in itself.

[Simurgh]

wlad will do his thing, haters gonna hate.. nothing new .

I am going to enjoy wlad's domination in next 4 years.

[yoz]

@Yoz.

I know you are not a Klittard and I think you are a Lewis fan as well so I will try to illustrate a point here.

Lennox Lewis build his resume by beating a impressive amount of good fighters(especially punchers)... he also beat Holyfield twice.. now even though that version of Evander was not the best version.. it was still an elite Evander Holyfield who lost to Lennox. Holyfield is generally regarded as the 2nd greatest Heavyweight of Lennox's era. You combine that win with the numerous other good wins Lennox had and it adds up to an ATG Heavyweight career.

If we had TAKEN OUT Holyfield and replace that victory with say a Rid**** Bowe AND an Ike Ibubechi.. instead.. it will be a resume that is still ATG material and arguably the Bowe/Ike wins will be>than just beating an older Holyfield.. but in that case.. Lewis would never have beaten the 'other guy' of his era.

Wladimir's 'good wins' are not quite as good as Lennox's AND he never beaten the clear #2 of his era.. You using the rankings of Byrd/Ruslan as examples saying Wlad did beat the #2 is deceptive.. because when history looks back upon the Post-Lewis era.. the 2 greatest heavyweights are NOT Wladimir and Byrd.. they are not Wladimir and Ruslan.. they are Wladimir and Vitali.. Hence Vitali is the #2.

What's even more troubling is ...... this is one of the rare cases where the #2 ... is actually favored over the #1... Even if Lewis-Holyfield never fought.. most people will lean towards Lewis.. Floyd and Pac never fought, but most people lean towards Floyd...... Vitali is actually the favorite against Wlad.. hence distorting the entire concept that Wladimir is the #1.

I firmly believe that if Vitali and Wladimir were not related.. Wladimir's career would have ended because he would have suffered his 4th KO DEFEAT against Vitali in 2008/2009.

Wladimir is the ONLY #1 that I can think of who is actually an under dog against the #2.... which is contradictory in itself.

I am a HUGE Lewis fan.

Also, I reject the Klittard tag. I'm not a Vitali fan.

[RadioBox]

wlad will do his thing, haters gonna hate.. nothing new .

I am going to enjoy wlad's domination in next 4 years.

If Wlad dominates for the next 4 years..... he will surpass Lewis and based on sheer longevity he will be a top 3 ATG HW.

There is no way in Hell he's going to dominate until he's 42 ... that is a pipe dream though.. He's already slowing down and the only reason it's not that obvious is because the quality of opponents he fought over the last 4 fights has been utterly horrendous. But he was clearly being tagged by the slow plodding Pinata and Wach had him at one point which if it had happened 20 seconds earlier... who knows.

[yoz]

If Wlad dominates for the next 4 years..... he will surpass Lewis and based on sheer longevity he will be a top 3 ATG HW.

There is no way in Hell he's going to dominate until he's 42 ... that is a pipe dream though.. He's already slowing down and the only reason it's not that obvious is because the quality of opponents he fought over the last 4 fights has been utterly horrendous. But he was clearly being tagged by the slow plodding Pinata and Wach had him at one point which if it had happened 20 seconds earlier... who knows.

Jonathan Banks will see Wlad undone, IMO.

[Simurgh]

If Wlad dominates for the next 4 years..... he will surpass Lewis and based on sheer longevity he will be a top 3 ATG HW.

There is no way in Hell he's going to dominate until he's 42 ... that is a pipe dream though.. He's already slowing down and the only reason it's not that obvious is because the quality of opponents he fought over the last 4 fights has been utterly horrendous. But he was clearly being tagged by the slow plodding Pinata and Wach had him at one point which if it had happened 20 seconds earlier... who knows.

I just know that people won't give him credit even if he dominates till he is 50. it will always be 'he is beating bums, no tysons, no foremans, etc etc...'

and believe me he will dominate till he retires and he is not retiring till he's vitali's age that's for sure.

[Jedi Vader]

F-no! But be consistent please, Jedi! You're defending Haye in one thread, and trashing him in another.

Wladimir has fought whoever has been in front of him. It's not his fault the division is whack, or fighters are unwilling to fight him.

Defending Haye in one thread doesn't mean for a second that I rate him as a Hall of Famer.

I said Klitimir hasn't beaten anyone of real note. You then say Haye. I then say he's not a Hall of Famer and you rightfully agree.

What does that say about Klitimir then? Now you'll start preaching to me about longevity and domination. Those things mean jack without wins over great fighters. Haye is an average boxer with good speed and power for an ex cruiserweight but definitely not great.

[Jam Jars]

Ha ha ha, you're pathetic, you really are.

You're still sore from Davie's loss.

I didn't say he defeated the number 2 - that's his bro. He defeated the next best though

So it's a fact that he's never fought or beat the best challenger isn't it. That's all we need to know about his reign seeing as we are dealing with stats and facts.

[yoz]

Defending Haye in one thread doesn't mean for a second that I rate him as a Hall of Famer.

I said Klitimir hasn't beaten anyone of real note. You then say Haye. I then say he's not a Hall of Famer and you rightfully agree.

What does that say about Klitimir then? Now you'll start preaching to me about longevity and domination. Those things mean jack without wins over great fighters. Haye is an average boxer with good speed and power for an ex cruiserweight but definitely not great.

I agree with the Haye comment. He's all hype. IMO, it was an easy win for Wlad.

Then again, Wladimir can only fight who's in front of him. I didn't say he's the GOAT or a top 5 ATG; i'm a fan, that's all.