catchweight king, coming off losses. Great response!!!

[~AK49~]

Pac, after Marg fight: I'm going back to 147, not going up again.

Was that hard?

He doesn't have to go above 147. He could weigh in at whatever he was comfortable at, let cotto weigh in at whatever he's comfortable at, and probably still beat his ass. The fact is, he has already faced, and laid an ass whooping, on cotto.

Is that hard?



























Unless of course, those couple extra pounds matter

[Reloaded]

He doesn't have to go above 147. He could weigh in at whatever he was comfortable at, let cotto weigh in at whatever he's comfortable at, and probably still beat his ass. The fact is, he has already faced, and laid an ass whooping, on cotto.

Is that hard?

Unless of course, those couple extra pounds matter

It must have been because Manny called him out for a rematch and Cotto said OK but no CW and Manny took off to fight a JWW , obviously Manny thought the 154 version of Cotto was a different fighter than the 145 version .

[Frank Ducketts]

"You seem to be a big Manny Pacquiao fan and I can’t understand why. I do believe he is a special puncher and his foot speed is incredible, so I get the physical part. But his accomplishments are watered down. Most of his opponents are coming off of losses. Most of his fights are at catchweights. Everything seems to be made to order for him. Explain your infatuation with him?"

"Bread’s Response: You sound so ******. Someone told you or you read somewhere that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of catchweight fights so you repeat it. You also must’ve been told that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of guys coming off of losses. So you repeat that too. Because I don’t repeat a bunch of lies that have been told on this man I’m infatuated with him. You are a complete idiot my friend. Only an idiot would repeat a lie as the truth and try to put someone down with it.

Let me explain something to you. I am a Manny fan. The reason being is because of how hard he had it. The first time I saw Manny fight was over 10 years ago and I saw a supreme talent. In about 2009 I saw all of his accomplishments come into question and I researched a few things. This may surprise you.In my research I found out that Pacquiao is the only 3 division champion in the history of boxing that was the underdog in his first 3 title tries. You may not realize the implications of that statement but let me spell it out for you. In boxing terms that is unheard of. Manny Pacquaio was being FED. Think about this, Adrien Broner just won his 3rd title. He was of similar age to Manny for each of his titles. He was the overwhelming favorite in ALL of his title tries.

Manny fought Chatchai Sasakul who was 33-1 when Manny fought him. Manny was just 19 years old. Sasakul was the deal. So good in fact he gave Yuri Arbachakov his only career loss. Some consider Arbachakov the BEST flyweight of the 90’s. That’s how good he was. The fight between Manny and Sasakul is on youtube. You can see Manny was over his head, he was just a gun and he persevered and scored a dramatic come from behind ko.*In his next title try he fought he fought Lehlo Ledwaba. Dude was a monster and considered to be the best fighter at 122. Manny was like a 6 to 1 underdog. He destroyed him. Manny was just 22 when he did that.

Then in his next title try he fights the 3rd best p4p fighter in the world in Marco Antonio Barerra and he beats him to a pulp. Now Manny is a 3 division champion at 24 years old and he was the underdog in all of his title tries. And he beat the best fighter in the division to win each of those titles.Then Manny takes on Juan Manuel Marquez to unify in his very next fight. The promoters didn’t give him any stay busy show case fights…….. He gets a draw.

Then he engages in his trilogy with Eric Morales. Morales was coming off of a 12 round majority decision loss in the fight of the year to Barrera. Pacquiao haters act like Morales was kod in 1 round and then fought Pacquiao. There was nothing wrong with that fight. Did I add it was at 130, Pacquiao was yet moving up again. Morales has just had big HBO fights with Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia recently but Pac gets flack for fighting him at 130lbs 8 years ago. Unbelievable.*He settles things with Morales, fights Barrera in a rematch and then goes for his 4th title vs an all time great in Marquez. So in 4 title tries the one time he is the favorite is against the best fighter he has faced. Next he fights David Diaz in his 5th title try a fight in which Pacquiao got criticized. But Diaz was33-1 and he had just beat Morales. It was Pacquiao’s first fight at 135. Next he gets the Oscar call.

I am going to ask you why would Oscar want to make Manny look good. Manny made himself look good by fighting the perfect fight against a man that was 3 divisions bigger and 6 inches taller. He was being fed again, he just didn’t cooperate.Next he goes for his 6th title try against Ricky Hatton. He almost kills Hatton. So let’s keep track in 6 title tries he was the underdog 3x. He also fought the best fighter in the division 5 out of 6 times, the only time he didn’t was against David Diaz. Next he fights Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs and destroys him. That’s his 7th title and the 6th time he fought the best guy in the division for the title. Remember Floyd was just coming out of retirement at this time.

Despite what people try to say. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were all coming off of wins not losses. Oscar had just beat Steve Forbes, Hatton had just beat Paulie Malignaggi. In fact he stopped him in 2008 when Adrien Broner couldn’t last month. And Cotto had just beat Michael Jennings and Joshua Clottey. So up until that point only Morales was coming off of a loss and he’s the only fighter to beat Manny in that decade, go figure smart guy.

Next up we have Joshua Clottey who was coming off of a split decision loss. Some people say he beat Cotto but if those same people don’t like Pacman they say Clottey was coming off of a loss. Mike Alvarado will be fighting Ruslan Provodnikov coming off of one of those same losses. There is nothing wrong with that.Then Pac fights Margarito at a ****** catchweight but I don’t believe it benefited him. Margarito was never more than a BIG welter to me, so they let him come in at 150 and he rehydrated up to 165. He took away Pac’s prime in that fight. Then Pac picked on a shot Shane Mosley. I have no problem admitting that.

Next he fights undefeated Tim Bradley sandwiched by two Marquez fights. Now he’s fighting Brandon Rios coming off of a razor close loss in his comeback fight after being violently kod.What favors has this man been done? Seriously. I’m telling you straight up there is no way I would let my fighters fight the kind of killers that Pacquiao has, multiple times, giving up that kind of experience,weight and height. The one guy who gave him trouble, they made him fight 4x…. He was robbed against Bradley….. He gave up so much size to Margarito that he laid in bed for 3 days AFTER the fight.

I can go on and on.*Tell me another modern fighter that has had to go through that. And I only named the BIG fights and title wins. People like to repeat lies and nonsense about this guy. But the truth is he has had it harder than any fighter in recent history. You guys talk about catchweights but not so much anymore. I wonder why. I won’t bring up Floyd because I am actually a big fan of his also. Yes guys, you can be a Pacman and Moneyman fan at the same time. But Floyd hasn’t had it nearly as rough as PAcquiao, especially coming up.

But let’s get back to catchweights. Pacquiao asked for 2 catchweights, Cotto and Margarito. Marquez asked for two also. Both times 144 against Pacquiao and Mayweather and no one speaks a word about it. Cotto who was supposedly opposed to catchweights, asked for one against Margarito. Somebody hit up Margarito’s trainer on twitter and he will tell you the deal. They settled at an asinine 153 but because Margarito was a cheater nobody cared.Paul Williams fought Sergio Martinez at 157 and no one spoke a word about it. The great Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright at 170lbs and we don’t talk about it. Now the best fighter in the world is fighting Saul Alvarez at 152lbs but yet Manny PAcquiao is the Catchweight King. I only named recent big fights. Go figure again…. #TRUTH

I am a fan of Manny’s but I am more of a TRUTH ADVOCATE. The guy gets a bad rap but no one can give me a valid reason why. What special tailor made fighters that Manny has benefited from? He has fought the for the most part the best available guys, of all colors, styles, height and weights. I’m curious to know about this special matchmaking. Before Manny and Floyd had their public feud nobody talked bad about him. All I’m saying is have your own mind. Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up"

Ver good post.

[HeroBando]

Wait a minute homez----canelo isn't even the wba Jr MW champion, Floyd is....he beat cotto....yes, he went to prison but he is still the champion...canelo isn't...how is this fight a true unification bout?lol...answer that one chap...

Yes, and I know YOUR reasons for why Manny fought at CW's for Marg and cotto were explained to me already but giving how he dodged shane prior to cotto at 143, I wonder what his reasons were...Shane's drawing power compared to cotto's?

Shane was more dangerous at that time?

He did go on to fight Shane at 147 though, didn't he? In 2011...

Fight for titles at cw is a no-no for me, and I have bashed Floyd for it already so do your homework but canelo isn't really the champion though, Floyd is....we have 2 wba champions now? One is the super-champion? Wtf is that nonsense? Floyd is the true Jr ,w champ, not canelo, and he won it at 154...

So once again, non-title fights at CW's are okay with me..

Dude Canelo is the WBC 154 champ. Man get your basics right before writing these articles.

But even if he wasn't, just as bad, a champ asking a contender for a CW, in the same division. Both of these are super rare. Why? Cause both are highly unbecoming of a champ. Screams "paper champ".

[HeroBando]

Oh yes, and Floyd needing a tuneup in his 4th weight class is normal...his body peaked at 140 as it turns out...and he was fighting a southpaw...when he came into the 140 division, he was caught by corley more than he liked, even stunned by him....zab was the undisputed ww champion.....dangerous offensive arsenal zab has and was more used to the weight by that time...it was more or less Floyd fighting a southpaw at a higher weight as the need for a tuneup....that's all...Floyd knows his body...he was smart in doing this...and it worked nice for him as it turns out.

Zab was so dangerous he lost a UD to Baldo in his hometown. That's the guy Floyd was tuning up for lmao. Remember him quitting quick like vs Clottey, who Pac whitewashed 4 months after Cotto?

[HeroBando]

He doesn't have to go above 147. He could weigh in at whatever he was comfortable at, let cotto weigh in at whatever he's comfortable at, and probably still beat his ass. The fact is, he has already faced, and laid an ass whooping, on cotto.

Is that hard?

Unless of course, those couple extra pounds matter

Of fcuking course it matters, every boxer knows it. Look at Floyd make a laughing stock of himself over 2 measly lbs, in his 5th division, a weight we all thought he could handle.

But when you've gone 7 divisions, you get the right to say no more, on principle. To me this is better than saying I'll fight Cotto at 154, some other guy at 152, and some guys not at all.

[JDezi4]

I’m just playing devil’s advocate, but lets be real... Being the "underdog" doesn't always come from ability and accomplishment, but from ur level of fame...

Barrera wasn't unbeatable as his record showed, and if Pacquiao was more famous, if he'd have fought guys like Hamed and others before and got more media exposure, he would have assuredly been the favorite in that fight based on size and talent alone... He and his handlers no doubt knew this

If anybody saw De La Hoya being drained coming, and if Pacquiao would have proven to be a solid solid lightweight, Pacquiao wouldn't have been the underdog in that... And its not like Pacquiao went into that fight knowing he was gonna win, he no doubt took that fight, jumped up 2 weight classes, to fight THE CASH COW FOR CASH... And got a little something extra in the process... Maybe he learned mid-training camp that Oscar was going to be drained, but not when he first signed that contract

U want proof? Watch the fight, the first minute of the fight, nobody threw a single punch, Oscar becuz he couldn't, Manny becuz he was scared

The only inarguable legitimate time he spent as an underdog was against Chatchai Sasakul

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I am also a fan of both, but let's be real. My main beef with the PAC catch weight(s) is the jumping up and down on weight for the advantage. Against de LA hoya he could fight at 147....but not against cotto. Had to catchweight cotto for only one clear reason.

Now I'm not saying that the catchweight was responsible for Cotto's loss, but am saying that there is only one reason on why he demanded it. Let's also not forget that he was asking 143, and they negotiated up to 145.

Against the bigger legit threats he makes them come down because he can't go up. Against the smaller guys he makes come up because he all of a sudden can't go down. That's my perception of it all.

End of thread........

[brick wall]

Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up"

this is the best part...pac was nowhere near what a roy jones or a floyd jr had when he started boxing. no amateur backround, no proper training...not even proper conditioning and nutritioning as a young fighter...to accomplish what he has done is just amazing.

he even got exploited by his handlers early on his career. he was fed to some fights he wasn't ready to take. he was a late replacement opponent to sasakul if i'm not mistaken. same with the ledwaba fight and even against barrera. he was not supposed to win those fights...his handlers are just after the money more than they thought he could win. it just look good now because he was able beat those guys but if he lost...everyone would just say "yeah that's what i expected".

[~AK49~]

Of fcuking course it matters, every boxer knows it. Look at Floyd make a laughing stock of himself over 2 measly lbs, in his 5th division, a weight we all thought he could handle.

But when you've gone 7 divisions, you get the right to say no more, on principle. To me this is better than saying I'll fight Cotto at 154, some other guy at 152, and some guys not at all.

Enuff said, we have our answer