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Bottom line is a large number of fighters have asked for Catchweights and ONLY ONE out of all of them said " I AM NOT THAT KIND OF GUY, I DON'T DO CATCHWEIGHTS!" I could put a bunch of fighters in a picture and ask you to find the hypocrite and you all would point to only one fighter and you know who that is.
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So what do you think that gets you? Of course Pac thought he'd be facing a lesser Cotto at 145, so he's due partial credit. But he's not due 3 years of abuse that he got in this board, that just stopped 2 months ago conveniently. But you claim DLH proved he can hang at welter, which is ridiculous.
If you're onboard with principled decisions, why are you complaining about him not fighting Cotto at 154? You didn't even know Pac offered 150 apparently, that's loads of ommissions and factual errors post after post. Any issues with the 150 offer then?Comment
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And also, Bernard Hopkins, as the bigger fighter, dropping down to 170 should be perceived as a DISADVANTAGE to him... He's the one going down in weight weakening himself, while Pavlick and Wright didn't have to gain all that much weight, thus making it easier for them
So Hopkins is not a qualifier for the catchweight king titleComment
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Didn't mean to say 'hang' (if I did). 'Hanging' is something to be decided after each fight. I'm just speaking to the fact of why he demanded the catchweight in the first place....I.e. because it matters.
I agree that PAC has gotten a lot of undue hate, but he certainly isn't exactly innocent either.
What do you mean by 'onboard with principles decisions'? The principal, is not allowing a fighter to be at a weight that they are comfortable at, for the sake of "taking something out of them'. Regardless if the weight stipulation falls on a certain divisional limit. Yes, I'm for that principal.
And yes, considering PAC already faced and beat cotto handily with the weight stipulations, I do a have a problem with PAC demanding another weight stipulation from cotto. We've already been there and seen that. How about, now we actually see what cotto can do without the stipulations. Or is cotto too good for PAC at full strength?Comment
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No, the principle of "Not going up in weight again" takes precedence over whatever Cotto's weight whim of the day is. Cotto didn't even have a SWW belt for the rematch, so spare me that. Let me remind you AGAIN:
1. Here's Cotto goading Pac into offering 150 in the first place, when Pac didn't wanna go above 147 like he said all along, on principle. This was 6 months prior.
2. Cotto disgracefully asked to defend his 154 belt and #1 Ring ranking vs unranked, one eyed Marg at 150, with a 160 rehydration clause just 1 year prior.
3. 9 out of 10 posters by now here know that 154 is not Cotto's best weight. There were polls, the conclusion is he should be happy a name guy offers him a fight at 150, if he's too lazy to try making 147Comment
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No comparison! Floyd accused and demanded Pac take tests. I guarantee you if someone walks up to you without a weapon and demands you give them a dollar, you are going to be more resistant then if they asked for a dollar. Floyd's ego got in the way. Now why didn't Floyd demand testing for the guys before Pac? Well guess who got sued over those accusations. And Pac agreed to the tests over a year ago. Now back on the subject. Which guy out of all of the guys who asked for Catchweights was a Catchweight hyporcrite?Last edited by richardt; 08-04-2013, 06:54 PM.Comment
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So...let's sum this all up and move on...No, the principle of "Not going up in weight again" takes precedence over whatever Cotto's weight whim of the day is. Cotto didn't even have a SWW belt for the rematch, so spare me that. Let me remind you AGAIN:
1. Here's Cotto goading Pac into offering 150 in the first place, when Pac didn't wanna go above 147 like he said all along, on principle. This was 6 months prior.
2. Cotto disgracefully asked to defend his 154 belt and #1 Ring ranking vs unranked, one eyed Marg at 150, with a 160 rehydration clause just 1 year prior.
3. 9 out of 10 posters by now here know that 154 is not Cotto's best weight. There were polls, the conclusion is he should be happy a name guy offers him a fight at 150, if he's too lazy to try making 147
PAC is still scared to fight cotto where cotto feels comfortable.
Lold at cotto 'disgracefully'....coming from a guy defending PAC, that's rich. Thanks for the laugh.
Is cotto innocent of this? No. But cool story bro. This just goes back to my original comments on the op. Just a bunch of irrelevant fanboy diatribe, and when it finally gets to the topic at hand, its only argument is 'well these guys have done it to'.
Here, let me simplify the op for y'all. PAC is not the catchweight king because such and such has done it too. Just saved all y'all about 12 paragraphs of reading
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Floyd fought sharmba in December of 2005 and zab fought in January of 2006.....
Zab was toying with baldomir until round 7 and lost by SD..it's not that hard to understand... Zab fought Floyd way better than tata did...and let's not forget, zab was the undisputed ww champion....zab was very sound with good balance, fast hands and get pretty hard...maybe the best looking jab at the time..very athletic and used to the weightclass unlike Floyd was...
Styles make fights and zab's style at the time was a style that could cause any fighter trouble....sharmba had fast hands also but his movement helped Floyd for zab....not properly preparing for Judah can damage you...the kid has all of the talent in the world.....Comment
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Great post OP people need to stop bashing Manny and just respect what he was given to the sport.Comment
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