catchweight king, coming off losses. Great response!!!

[HeroBando]

De LA hoya was coming down from 154 if I'm not mistaken.

In any case, he signed the contract, and that's the end all. That fight isn't even my beef, it was a catchweight to make a great fight happen. I have no problems with catch weights happening to make a fight happen, that otherwise wouldn't happen. My problem is when a fighter can make a weight, was seen to be strong at that weight, but refuses to fight at that weight and instead elects to weaken his opponent/gain an advantage by playing weight games.

You are mistaken. You must not be reading this thread, cause it says right above, DLH fought Forbes at 150 cause he was trying to drop down to 147 for the Floyd rematch, or Hatton fight. Pac was the last resort, that sounded like a disgusting cherrypick.

And again, Pac DLH was not a CW fight. Keep it simple dude, a CW is fight not at a regulation weight. Otherwise you get into all kinds of dead ends, if you care to be consistent.

[FrankieClutch]

De LA hoya was coming down from 154 if I'm not mistaken.

In any case, he signed the contract, and that's the end all. That fight isn't even my beef, it was a catchweight to make a great fight happen. I have no problems with catch weights happening to make a fight happen, that otherwise wouldn't happen. My problem is when a fighter can make a weight, was seen to be strong at that weight, but refuses to fight at that weight and instead elects to weaken his opponent/gain an advantage by playing weight games.

Understandable, but Pac weighed 142 at the weigh in. So he wasn't exactly a full fledge welterweight when he fought DLH. His next fight was at 140 (where he belonged at the moment) against Hatton, then it was the Cotto fight. He was still a little fella going into the Cotto fight.

I'm not sticking up for Pac, as I myself would have liked to see the fight at the full fledged 147, but people act as if Pac was fighting at welterweight the whole time before fighting Cotto.

[Kuyukut]

i always make a point to give massive props to fighters that went the extra mile to be known as one of the greats.

like floyd, i consider him as the greatest...


scared coward and ducker of all time!

[~AK49~]

You are mistaken. You must not be reading this thread, cause it says right above, DLH fought Forbes at 150 cause he was trying to drop down to 147 for the Floyd rematch, or Hatton fight. Pac was the last resort, that sounded like a disgusting cherrypick.

And again, Pac DLH was not a CW fight. Keep it simple dude, a CW is fight not at a regulation weight. Otherwise you get into all kinds of dead ends, if you care to be consistent.

You must not be reading my comments, as in the comment you quoted I explicitly states j have no problem with the pac-de LA hoya fight happening at 147. I don't care of the agreed upon weight falls on a divisional weight limit or not. That's not the principal being argued with catch weights. The principal is that one fighter makes the other come down in weight in order/hopes of weakkning him.

And again, don't bring up de LA hoya. Both fighters met in the middle, and a great fight happened.

[~AK49~]

Understandable, but Pac weighed 142 at the weigh in. So he wasn't exactly a full fledge welterweight when he fought DLH. His next fight was at 140 (where he belonged at the moment) against Hatton, then it was the Cotto fight. He was still a little fella going into the Cotto fight.

I'm not sticking up for Pac, as I myself would have liked to see the fight at the full fledged 147, but people act as if Pac was fighting at welterweight the whole time before fighting Cotto.

PAC still refusing to fight cotto at Cotto's natural/strongest weight speaks volumes, considering he already beat the guy to a pulp.

I can let the first time go. In fact, as a cotto fan, I'd even say that cotto was in the best shape of his life that fight. Just fought with the wrong game plan/poor training, and PAC was too much. But this second go around, speaks volumes IMO.

[LoadedWraps]

"You seem to be a big Manny Pacquiao fan and I can’t understand why. I do believe he is a special puncher and his foot speed is incredible, so I get the physical part. But his accomplishments are watered down. Most of his opponents are coming off of losses. Most of his fights are at catchweights. Everything seems to be made to order for him. Explain your infatuation with him?"

"Bread’s Response: You sound so ******. Someone told you or you read somewhere that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of catchweight fights so you repeat it. You also must’ve been told that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of guys coming off of losses. So you repeat that too. Because I don’t repeat a bunch of lies that have been told on this man I’m infatuated with him. You are a complete idiot my friend. Only an idiot would repeat a lie as the truth and try to put someone down with it.

Let me explain something to you. I am a Manny fan. The reason being is because of how hard he had it. The first time I saw Manny fight was over 10 years ago and I saw a supreme talent. In about 2009 I saw all of his accomplishments come into question and I researched a few things. This may surprise you.In my research I found out that Pacquiao is the only 3 division champion in the history of boxing that was the underdog in his first 3 title tries. You may not realize the implications of that statement but let me spell it out for you. In boxing terms that is unheard of. Manny Pacquaio was being FED. Think about this, Adrien Broner just won his 3rd title. He was of similar age to Manny for each of his titles. He was the overwhelming favorite in ALL of his title tries.

Manny fought Chatchai Sasakul who was 33-1 when Manny fought him. Manny was just 19 years old. Sasakul was the deal. So good in fact he gave Yuri Arbachakov his only career loss. Some consider Arbachakov the BEST flyweight of the 90’s. That’s how good he was. The fight between Manny and Sasakul is on youtube. You can see Manny was over his head, he was just a gun and he persevered and scored a dramatic come from behind ko.*In his next title try he fought he fought Lehlo Ledwaba. Dude was a monster and considered to be the best fighter at 122. Manny was like a 6 to 1 underdog. He destroyed him. Manny was just 22 when he did that.

Then in his next title try he fights the 3rd best p4p fighter in the world in Marco Antonio Barerra and he beats him to a pulp. Now Manny is a 3 division champion at 24 years old and he was the underdog in all of his title tries. And he beat the best fighter in the division to win each of those titles.Then Manny takes on Juan Manuel Marquez to unify in his very next fight. The promoters didn’t give him any stay busy show case fights…….. He gets a draw.

Then he engages in his trilogy with Eric Morales. Morales was coming off of a 12 round majority decision loss in the fight of the year to Barrera. Pacquiao haters act like Morales was kod in 1 round and then fought Pacquiao. There was nothing wrong with that fight. Did I add it was at 130, Pacquiao was yet moving up again. Morales has just had big HBO fights with Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia recently but Pac gets flack for fighting him at 130lbs 8 years ago. Unbelievable.*He settles things with Morales, fights Barrera in a rematch and then goes for his 4th title vs an all time great in Marquez. So in 4 title tries the one time he is the favorite is against the best fighter he has faced. Next he fights David Diaz in his 5th title try a fight in which Pacquiao got criticized. But Diaz was33-1 and he had just beat Morales. It was Pacquiao’s first fight at 135. Next he gets the Oscar call.

I am going to ask you why would Oscar want to make Manny look good. Manny made himself look good by fighting the perfect fight against a man that was 3 divisions bigger and 6 inches taller. He was being fed again, he just didn’t cooperate.Next he goes for his 6th title try against Ricky Hatton. He almost kills Hatton. So let’s keep track in 6 title tries he was the underdog 3x. He also fought the best fighter in the division 5 out of 6 times, the only time he didn’t was against David Diaz. Next he fights Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs and destroys him. That’s his 7th title and the 6th time he fought the best guy in the division for the title. Remember Floyd was just coming out of retirement at this time.

Despite what people try to say. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were all coming off of wins not losses. Oscar had just beat Steve Forbes, Hatton had just beat Paulie Malignaggi. In fact he stopped him in 2008 when Adrien Broner couldn’t last month. And Cotto had just beat Michael Jennings and Joshua Clottey. So up until that point only Morales was coming off of a loss and he’s the only fighter to beat Manny in that decade, go figure smart guy.

Next up we have Joshua Clottey who was coming off of a split decision loss. Some people say he beat Cotto but if those same people don’t like Pacman they say Clottey was coming off of a loss. Mike Alvarado will be fighting Ruslan Provodnikov coming off of one of those same losses. There is nothing wrong with that.Then Pac fights Margarito at a ****** catchweight but I don’t believe it benefited him. Margarito was never more than a BIG welter to me, so they let him come in at 150 and he rehydrated up to 165. He took away Pac’s prime in that fight. Then Pac picked on a shot Shane Mosley. I have no problem admitting that.

Next he fights undefeated Tim Bradley sandwiched by two Marquez fights. Now he’s fighting Brandon Rios coming off of a razor close loss in his comeback fight after being violently kod.What favors has this man been done? Seriously. I’m telling you straight up there is no way I would let my fighters fight the kind of killers that Pacquiao has, multiple times, giving up that kind of experience,weight and height. The one guy who gave him trouble, they made him fight 4x…. He was robbed against Bradley….. He gave up so much size to Margarito that he laid in bed for 3 days AFTER the fight.

I can go on and on.*Tell me another modern fighter that has had to go through that. And I only named the BIG fights and title wins. People like to repeat lies and nonsense about this guy. But the truth is he has had it harder than any fighter in recent history. You guys talk about catchweights but not so much anymore. I wonder why. I won’t bring up Floyd because I am actually a big fan of his also. Yes guys, you can be a Pacman and Moneyman fan at the same time. But Floyd hasn’t had it nearly as rough as PAcquiao, especially coming up.

But let’s get back to catchweights. Pacquiao asked for 2 catchweights, Cotto and Margarito. Marquez asked for two also. Both times 144 against Pacquiao and Mayweather and no one speaks a word about it. Cotto who was supposedly opposed to catchweights, asked for one against Margarito. Somebody hit up Margarito’s trainer on twitter and he will tell you the deal. They settled at an asinine 153 but because Margarito was a cheater nobody cared.Paul Williams fought Sergio Martinez at 157 and no one spoke a word about it. The great Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright at 170lbs and we don’t talk about it. Now the best fighter in the world is fighting Saul Alvarez at 152lbs but yet Manny PAcquiao is the Catchweight King. I only named recent big fights. Go figure again…. #TRUTH

I am a fan of Manny’s but I am more of a TRUTH ADVOCATE. The guy gets a bad rap but no one can give me a valid reason why. What special tailor made fighters that Manny has benefited from? He has fought the for the most part the best available guys, of all colors, styles, height and weights. I’m curious to know about this special matchmaking. Before Manny and Floyd had their public feud nobody talked bad about him. All I’m saying is have your own mind. Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up"

[SplitSecond]

great read

faggots like ak49 need to fek off and get a life

[hectari]

PAC still refusing to fight cotto at Cotto's natural/strongest weight speaks volumes, considering he already beat the guy to a pulp.

I can let the first time go. In fact, as a cotto fan, I'd even say that cotto was in the best shape of his life that fight. Just fought with the wrong game plan/poor training, and PAC was too much. But this second go around, speaks volumes IMO.

It doesn't speak volumes because the rematch never happened.

[lfc19titles]

Ok, let's be consistent and factual...




















PAC has refused to fight some dangerous fighters at their best weight.

The only people Pac flat out refused to fight were legit 154 pound guys, I think and I am sorry if I am wrong in saying this but are you talking about pac not fighting cotto at his best weight? whats important to remember is pac was coming up from 140 (heck he weighed 138 I think vs hatton) cotto offered him 145, pac never demanded it at 145, cotto did it because he is a a true warrior and evened the terms, he also said he was in his best condition ever remember

you may also be talking about margo who was a career welter pretty much remember who had a 20 pound weight advantage vs pac

the only fight I have an issue with is mosley but even then, he never had many options left as golden boy have most of the 147s

When pac retires, the way people talk about guys like duran nd so on, pac will be remembered like that, pac is unique, one of a kind, greatest fighter in this era who faced whoever signed that contract

edit sorry, just read you are on about his 2nd fight offer

didnt cotto want margo at 150 catchweight? so why not fight pac at it as well?

[HeroBando]

You must not be reading my comments, as in the comment you quoted I explicitly states j have no problem with the pac-de LA hoya fight happening at 147. I don't care of the agreed upon weight falls on a divisional weight limit or not. That's not the principal being argued with catch weights. The principal is that one fighter makes the other come down in weight in order/hopes of weakkning him.

And again, don't bring up de LA hoya. Both fighters met in the middle, and a great fight happened.

You brought up DLH, and can't seem to keep it factual. Like insisting it was a CW fight, and right here ending with the bolded. 1 fight back one guy was at 135, another 150. 2 fights back, 130 vs 154. How the fcuk is 147 halfway?

And again, beating a corpse of DLH (nobody's fault but Oscar's) did not prove he can handle a legit welter. What's so complicated about this? He barely took any punches, it was a stroll. It's like you didn't watch boxing at the time, only read about it. If Pac had skipped Hatton and went straight to Cotto, he would have been a solid underdog, and huge underdog just 12 months prior to the fight.