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  • Originally posted by Rammstein View Post
    I guess I missed the joke.

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    • Originally posted by MrP4P View Post
      I guess I missed the joke.
      I guess you did, JAB Alt

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      • Originally posted by Rammstein View Post
        I guess you did, JAB Alt
        OH you think im an alt account. I can assure you that I have no idea what you are talking about lol.

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        • Originally posted by Freedom2014
          Joe Louis was allowed to fight a former lightweight.

          http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9007&cat=boxer

          Jack Johnson fought a former lightweight for the world "colored" heavyweight title. This guy weighed just 156 during the actual fight with Johnson. He started at lightweight, and was shorter and had a shorter reach than Floyd Mayweather:

          http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1023&cat=boxer

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          • Originally posted by Freedom2014
            Joe Louis was allowed to fight a former lightweight.

            http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9007&cat=boxer

            Jack Johnson fought a former lightweight for the world "colored" heavyweight title. This guy weighed just 156 during the actual fight with Johnson. He started at lightweight, and was shorter and had a shorter reach than Floyd Mayweather:

            http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1023&cat=boxer
            Difference being both those guys are now considered all time greats and were beating top rated fighters at heavyweight before and after getting their shots. Not a very good example.

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            • Originally posted by sugarsmosley View Post
              If somehow Wlad fought Vitali, would the winner then be considered an ATG?
              No because then the loser would be called a bum.

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              • Originally posted by Red Cyclone View Post
                No because then the loser would be called a bum.
                I don't this k so. They're both easily the 2 best heavyweights of the last ten years. That can only enhance a legacy.

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                • Originally posted by Freedom2014
                  Joe Louis was allowed to fight a former lightweight.

                  http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9007&cat=boxer

                  Jack Johnson fought a former lightweight for the world "colored" heavyweight title. This guy weighed just 156 during the actual fight with Johnson. He started at lightweight, and was shorter and had a shorter reach than Floyd Mayweather:

                  http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...1023&cat=boxer
                  Always so unknowing....

                  If you had done your research, you would know that the heavyweight division is a NO LIMIT division. If you beat the contenders, in the cases you mentioned, Sam Langford had beaten and fought several top contenders like Joe Jeanette and Jack Blackburn before, and fought and beat Harry Wills, Sam McVea and Joe jeanette multiple times after fighting Jack Johnson, once again positioning himself as the #1 contender for years.

                  His weight didn't matter. In fact, talk about the balls of Sam Langford fighting a much bigger guy. Your Klitschko only fights guys much smaller and much lighter than himself, yet still needs to clinch 34234342 times a fight.

                  Furthermore, Johnson was only 29 pounds heavier than Langford on the night. Let's look at some of Wlad's biggest wins, shall we?

                  He was 244 vs Haye 210
                  He was what 245 vs Byrd 201?
                  He was 244 3/4 vs Chambers at 210.

                  Oops.
                  Last edited by LacedUp; 07-17-2014, 02:23 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Freedom2014
                    Joe Louis was allowed to fight a former lightweight.

                    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...9007&cat=boxer
                    Well done! You just forgot one minor thing though.

                    I guess you didn’t consider it important enough in your quest to downgrade every single heavyweight pre-2000 that isn’t attached to the Klitschko’s in any possible way - it would probably be too much to expect from someone with your mental capacity anyway - but are you actually aware of that Conn was a 16-year-old kid when this occurred?

                    As a comparison, do you know which weight Chris Byrd fought at as a nineteen-year-old i.e. three years older than Conn? Light welterweight - which at the time was 139lbs in the amateurs.

                    Conn’s weight at the same age? 160lbs.

                    In other words, if we take the age-difference into account, it isn’t out of question that Byrd could’ve fought at lightweight if he had turned professional at the same age as Conn.

                    So with all this in mind, if I apply the same useless logic as you did and turn this around, Vitali and Wladimir were allowed to fight a former light welterweight who possibly also fought at lightweight when he was sixteen.

                    What’s even worse is that one of them even managed to lose, something Louis never did against Conn.

                    Quite embarrassing, eh?

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                    • Who gave Vitali his toughest fight?

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