Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[Elroy1]

Vitali is a boxer in the upper echelons who has not a single clear loss on his record. Not Lennox and DEFINITELY not Byrd.

Ali's record was weak compared to what we would expect today.

Ali's real HW record was 28-5 (with 1 loss to a CW green bum)

And was riddled with bums.

Vitali was not ALLOWED to fight CW's...

He was not ALLOWED to fight bums!

[Weltschmerz]

He had 4 fights in 4 years, had 12 rounds in that period, was half-way retired and was focusing on golf.

So no, none of it was true at all.

Yup. Sure it is true. One of the fastest hands, powerful left hooks ever. It is all there in video evidence too. Even Lennox Lewis didn't rock Vitali like Sanders did a couple times.

[Weltschmerz]

Vitali is a boxer in the upper echelons who has not a single clear loss on his record. Not Lennox and DEFINITELY not Byrd.

Ali's record was weak compared to what we would expect today.

Ali's real HW record was 28-5 (with 1 loss to a CW green bum)

And was riddled with bums.

Vitali was not ALLOWED to fight CW's...

He was not ALLOWED to fight bums!

Pretty much sums it up. These fools are in pure denial of the facts.

[Elroy1]

Of course he could. And that's not an opinion I just came too. See unlike you with your pathological defaming of Ali, Frazier, I respect the klitschkos as quality fighters, because I actually know a bit about boxing, and from my own experience in it I learned to respect EVERY fighter. From the guy with a losing record fighting for $400, to the world champ making millions. Vitalis solid chin means he's going to pose a tough fight for anyone. His lack of speed could find him in a surprising amount of trouble against guys that can close distance quickly though.

Vitali used his height and weight, sure, Ali used exactly the same except VK has more of both.

The best asset of VK though which neither Ali or ANY other previous boxers had was timing.

VK is very fast for a 6'7" 250lb fighter, you can't get much faster. The comment that he'd be susceptible to guys with more speed is really like saying that smaller boxers are better which isn't true. There is a more than compensating effect with size.

The reason VK can afford to lean back with his hands down lots is enabled because of his size, but is really down to how unbelievably good his timing was!

THIS^^^ Is what you have to get your fat head around mate!

[Elroy1]

Yup. Sure it is true. One of the fastest hands, powerful left hooks ever. It is all there in video evidence too. Even Lennox Lewis didn't rock Vitali like Sanders did a couple times.

Agreed, that statement to Laced was exactly true.

Sander's did have among the fastest hands of real HW's, he did have among the sharpest left hooks. He did rock VK better than Lewis did. It is there to see.

And what's more Lewis never fought Sander's to claim he would've beat him easy.

I have this sneaking su****ion that Lewis would have experienced the same difficulties as VK, WK and Rahman did (Rahman who KOed Lewis also nearly got KOed to Sanders!)

In fact I'd count on it.

[Elroy1]

Pretty much sums it up. These fools are in pure denial of the facts.

It'll fall on deaf ears with these 2.

Funny thing is, if they point out a fighter that they claim was a bum, it'll turn out that this guy is probably 240lbs, has a nearly unbeaten record, and fought other guys of better quality than past opponents opponents too. And/or former champions. And that's before we even actually LOOK at anything else!

[LacedUp]

Yup. Sure it is true. One of the fastest hands, powerful left hooks ever. It is all there in video evidence too. Even Lennox Lewis didn't rock Vitali like Sanders did a couple times.

Mate, you are completely insane if you actually believe that beating up on bums makes you one of the best of all times.

[Suckmedry]

Vitali used his height and weight, sure, Ali used exactly the same except VK has more of both.

The best asset of VK though which neither Ali or ANY other previous boxers had was timing.

VK is very fast for a 6'7" 250lb fighter, you can't get much faster. The comment that he'd be susceptible to guys with more speed is really like saying that smaller boxers are better which isn't true. There is a more than compensating effect with size.

The reason VK can afford to lean back with his hands down lots is enabled because of his size, but is really down to how unbelievably good his timing was!

THIS^^^ Is what you have to get your fat head around mate!

Not exactly sure what any of this has to do with what I said. And no ones saying Vitali had no timing but if you think no one previous to him had great timing I don't even know what to say.

I really wouldn't be surprised if you are sitting there at your keyboard twirling a glass pipe with some meth in it. It would explain a hell of a lot of what you are saying.

[Elroy1]

Not exactly sure what any of this has to do with what I said. And no ones saying Vitali had no timing but if you think no one previous to him had great timing I don't even know what to say.

I really wouldn't be surprised if you are sitting there at your keyboard twirling a glass pipe with some meth in it. It would explain a hell of a lot of what you are saying.

I don't know if you meant that last bit to be funny but you had me and those here cracking up, that was a good one

[soul_survivor]

stop feeding the trolls elroy1 and rammsteing****er....bloody hell, this useless thread has gone on for 71 pages ffs, you absolute idiots