Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[r.burgundy]

You have Patterson rated in your top 15 and Vitali between 50 and 100. LMAO.

he is 1 of these guys who have 0 knowledge of older fighters and is just regurgitating what he has seen somebody else post.floyd patterson top 15 but klits ranked 50-100 is all you need to see for proof

[DreamFighter]

none.but they still count as 1 fighter lol.manny fought morales x3,barrera x2,and marquez x4,so by that logic he fought 9 top contenders lol

syntax is the issue for you, I see, fair enough, that's a fair argument. Call them title defences then, and suddenly you have lost your argument completely.

Besides what counts for more, fighting 3 or 4 unfit bums or fighting an atg like pacquiao or Ali 3 or 4 times. Which do you think is the easiest path? The answer is obvious.

doesnt matter if there were more boxers back then.majority of them ******,just like majority suck now

no, you are just arguing a point that's been proven wrong.

more boxers always means more boxers of good quality (as well as bad ones to). Its a fact that you are trying to argue against, not an opinion.

[JAB5239]

So again. I ask this in post 6 to see if we can get a reasonable discussion going:



The oft-banned TS decides to ignore my post, which didn’t really surprise me as he has me on his ignorelist (he cannot ignore me though).

But another poster brings it up 150+ posts later:



So again a clear cut and reasonable question and Jab decides to answer like this:




Clearly the hotheaded and oftbanned historysection mod writes that he thinks that 20 fighters is the cut off for the HW division and that Vitali just misses the cut right? Surely there can be no other way of interpretation. He writes ‘I think’ several times so it is his opinion and not the opinion of someone else.

But so it isn’t.

Because I called him out on it he went to namecalling by calling
Poorme, who is a staffmember BTW, an idiot and liar.

He did so because he states that the 20 boxer limit isn’t his opinion but someone elses.

So apparently we still do not know where he ranks Vitali and we don’t know who makes the cut on his list.

#postergonecrazy #oftbannedmodshouldtakeabreak

Does Vote have an all time great resume? How come you can't answer that?

[r.burgundy]

syntax is the issue for you, I see, fair enough, that's a fair argument. Call them title defences then, and suddenly you have lost your argument completely.

Besides what counts for more, fighting 3 or 4 unfit bums or fighting an atg like pacquiao or Ali 3 or 4 times. Which do you think is the easiest path? The answer is obvious.

no, you are just arguing a point that's been proven wrong.

more boxers always means more boxers of good quality (as well as bad ones to). Its a fact that you are trying to argue against, not an opinion.

everything has a context.bernard hopkins has a victory on roy jones.on paper it may look like a great win,but in reality,we all know jones was a shell of himself because we have watched him deteriorate.

fighting the guy your most familiar with 3-4 times is the easiest path

more does not equal better lol.i coach college bball for a living lol.in know sport does more = better.in sports,guys either got it,or they dont

[DreamFighter]

fighting the guy your most familiar with 3-4 times is the easiest path

trying to win against ali three times is easier than gassing out three bums? haha, debate OVER.

more does not equal better lol.i coach college bball for a living lol.in know sport does more = better.in sports,guys either got it,or they dont

never argue against a fact.

[LacedUp]

We dont know how the oft banned TS defines ATG. Maybe you can tell us your definition?

So Bat, do you think Vitali is a ATG? Say, top 20 in th history of the sport?

[BattlingNelson]

So Bat, do you think Vitali is a ATG? Say, top 20 in th history of the sport?

I have a fairly good grasp on where to rank him. Whether that's enough to be called ATG in the sense of this thread is anybodys guess as the TS, who once upon a time was a great poster, simply will not reveal his definition and ranking.

I have asked him so many times LacedUp. Sometimes it's top 20 HW to an ATG and sometimes it's something else that he won't reveal. I get called liar and idiot and whathaveyou, but he simply will not reveal it. Maybe he just wants this thread to go on and on despite it not having a definition. Why else leave us all with such a cliffhanger?

[r.burgundy]

trying to win against ali three times is easier than gassing out three bums? haha, debate OVER.



never argue against a fact.

look at the pacquio/marquez fights,they got easier and easier for marquez,look at floyd/castillo,lewis/rahman.list goes on and on.ali is not some invincible guy lol.beating him is not some other worldly accomplishment.i thought norton killed ali in the 3rd fight

im pretty good with english.i didnt know more was defined as better lol.look up the definition.thats a fact.

[JAB5239]

I have a fairly good grasp on where to rank him. Whether that's enough to be called ATG in the sense of this thread is anybodys guess as the TS, who once upon a time was a great poster, simply will not reveal his definition and ranking.

I have asked him so many times LacedUp. Sometimes it's top 20 HW to an ATG and sometimes it's something else that he won't reveal. I get called liar and idiot and whathaveyou, but he simply will not reveal it. Maybe he just wants this thread to go on and on despite it not having a definition. Why else leave us all with such a cliffhanger?

So where do you rank him? What's your criteria for ATG's? Why would I give you anything when for months now you've been trolling my opinions on Vittles? You say you haven't lied. Who are the posters I ridiculed for having Vits just out of the top 20? You say I have an agenda. Does everyone who voted "No" have an agenda also? You want to know where I rank Vits and what I consider ATG? I have a fairly good grasp on where to rank him. Whether that's enough to be called ATG in the sense of this thread is anybodys guess. There you go. Hell of an evasive answer, don't you think?

[JAB5239]

none.but they still count as 1 fighter lol.manny fought morales x3,barrera x2,and marquez x4,so by that logic he fought 9 top contenders lol

doesnt matter if there were more boxers back then.majority of them ******,just like majority suck now

The count as 1 fighter, but several contenders. They were still highly ranked, if they were fought more than once, as long as they were top 10 rated, it counts.