Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[BattlingNelson]

We still need Jedi Turds defintion of ATG BTW. We don't know the criteria he uses even though its safe to say that with a place between 50 and 100, Vitali wont be close to making the cut.

And between 50 and 100 is funny. Its so ridiculous and a reason why Jedi Turd never is to taken seriously. LMAO.

[Jedi Vader]

Its highly relevant since you and jab has laughed at the posters voting for Vitali in Jab's highly skewed and biased poll. Since you both define ATG in entirely different ways, how can you then be entitled to laugh at people who might define ATG in a third Way?

Just think. Jab has Vitali just out of the top 20 while you might have him as no. 100. Big difference.

That is the glaring problem of this thread; that ATG is left undefined. How can you have the nerve to ridicule people who do nothing wrong? They just vote according to their definition which clearly cannot be wrong since ATG is undefined. That makes you a troll.


Are you joking? I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of the oft-banned boxing history moderator. And you as well, but you are frankly nothing but a small irrelevant turd in this (and other) threads. Jab is a scholar of boxing history, and a forum leader so surely he can explain how there's nothing wrong with ridiculing posters who might rank Vitali as no. 20 while he himself ranks him JUST below.

Why doesn't he ridicule you? You rank Vitali maybe a whopping 80 places below him? Odd isn't it? Instead he harassess those who rank Vitali as little as A SINGLE PLACE above himself!

What does that tell you? It tells you that the oft-banned moderator jab is just a petty troll with an agenda.

I bet that Jedi Turd has Byrd ranked above Vitali.

We still need Jedi Turds defintion of ATG BTW. We don't know the criteria he uses even though its safe to say that with a place between 50 and 100, Vitali wont be close to making the cut.

And between 50 and 100 is funny. Its so ridiculous and a reason why Jedi Turd never is to taken seriously. LMAO.

Just as I predicted.

how many atg's did roy beat during his lhw campaign,or hopkins beat,or joe frazier,joe louis or ken norton,holmes,or george foreman?did marciano fight a prime atg?

every era is not gonna be populated with atg's.imo their havent even been 20 truly great hw fighters.it was always an extremely overrated division.

if we are gonna criticize the klitschos comp,then lets apply that standard to everybody

This is a Klit thread. Make a thread about the others if you need to.

[r.burgundy]

Just as I predicted.



This is a Klit thread. Make a thread about the others if you need to.

any thread about boxers will have to include talk of other boxers lol.their is no logical reason somebody shouldnt have klitscho as an atg fighter.it just boils down to hate and pure bias

[Barn]

This thread is fun.

People claiming the likes of Norton, Dempsey, Johnson and Patterson are clear ATG's while Vitali isn't is rather funny.

[New England]

This thread is fun.

People claiming the likes of Norton, Dempsey, Johnson and Patterson are clear ATG's while Vitali isn't is rather funny.

this thread is silly and should be allowed to die out. there are agendas on both ends.


people are showing a love or dislike for vitali more than they are looking at his resume and where it ranks among the resume of HW of the past.


dempsey, johnson, norton, and patterson do have better resume than vitali klitschko. they're more accomplished boxers. i'm assuming that you're talking about jack johnson.

[r.burgundy]

this thread is silly and should be allowed to die out. there are agendas on both ends.


people are showing a love or dislike for vitali more than they are looking at his resume and where it ranks among the resume of HW of the past.


dempsey, johnson, norton, and patterson do have better resume than vitali klitschko. they're more accomplished boxers. i'm assuming that you're talking about jack johnson.

what makes nortons resume more accomplished?

[Jedi Vader]

what makes nortons resume more accomplished?

Just his Ali win alone completely obliterates any Klit victory.

Am I wrong?

[New England]

what makes nortons resume more accomplished?

i agree that norton's got the lightest resume of the four, but he was a near top level operator in a much better division. a contender in vitali's era isn't worth as much as a contender in norton's.


of course his biggest accomplishment is beating muhammad ali in '73. that was only two years, almost to the day, after ali frazier 1. ali wasn't at his absolute zenith in 71 or 73, but he went on to have a slew of meaningful wins after that fight, including george foreman.

[r.burgundy]

Just his Ali win alone completely obliterates any Klit victory.

Am I wrong?

by that logic,i guess buster douglas 1 win over tyson,or rahmans 1 win over louis obliterate klits resume also.you are very wrong.ali is 1 of my favorite fighters,but he was far from some unbeatable juggernaut so 1 victory over him is 1 great win and thats it.

[r.burgundy]

i agree that norton's got the lightest resume of the four, but he was a near top level operator in a much better division. a contender in vitali's era isn't worth as much as a contender in norton's.


of course his biggest accomplishment is beating muhammad ali in '73. that was only two years, almost to the day, after ali frazier 1. ali wasn't at his absolute zenith in 71 or 73, but he went on to have a slew of meaningful wins after that fight, including george foreman.

if norton were fighting today,he would be the same type of contender on vitali's resume.a solid unspectacular top 1-3 guy.

while norton went on to never have a meaningful win after that