Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[RadioBox]

Where do you rank Vitali all time and who is ranked above him?

Lennox Lewis mother****er.

[Jedi Vader]

Where do you rank Vitali all time and who is ranked above him?

I'd rank Klit between 50-100.

01. Liston
02. Louis
03. Norton
04. Ali
05. Dempsey
06. Tyson
07. Lewis
08. Holyfield
09. Marciano
10. Frazier
11. Foreman
12. Holmes
13. Johnson
14. Patterson
15. Schmeling

This 15 isn't in any particular order, just the main names that spring to mind. To rank Klitali alongside these lot on his resume is laughable. Bowe isn't on this list but his resume completely obliterates both of the Klits. In fact, Bruno's McCall scalp is a bigger single win than either of the Klits' victories and Bruno wouldn't make the Top 50 either.

[BattlingNelson]

I'd rank Klit between 50-100.

01. Liston
02. Louis
03. Norton
04. Ali
05. Dempsey
06. Tyson
07. Lewis
08. Holyfield
09. Marciano
10. Frazier
11. Foreman
12. Holmes
13. Johnson
14. Patterson
15. Schmeling

This 15 isn't in any particular order, just the main names that spring to mind. To rank Klitali alongside these lot on his resume is laughable. Bowe isn't on this list but his resume completely obliterates both of the Klits. In fact, Bruno's McCall scalp is a bigger single win than either of the Klits' victories and Bruno wouldn't make the Top 50 either.

Do you go by the same definition of ATG as your idol jab does?

Between 50 and 100 you say. I see. We might have to readress that claim later depending on your definition of ATG, but it is noted that you have Vitali ranked up to 80 places below the ranking that your idol and boxing history moderator jab has.

[r.burgundy]

I've still yet to see one person actually answer the simple questions that Jabs has asked to be answered and instead, there's just been pure nuthugging and childish name calling. Even if someone tried to answer and maybe got their facts wrong, at least that would count for something but, no. Just look at BattlingNelson's pathetic posts in the thread as perfect evidence to support what I'm getting at.

Personally, I don't think H2H ranking has anything to do with whether you're an ATG or not. The fact of that matter is quite simple, Klitali isn't an ATG and he's borderline HoF. He hasn't beaten any fighter of any note and will only be remembered for his 2 defeats. That's 2 defeats he never even tried to avenge either.

You Klitlickers are simply the worst 'fans' on Boxingscene.

jabs question is in terrible context.he list the names of the fighters without listing where they were ranked.all of those guys were top 1-3 guys in the division.so if somebody dominates 10 guys ranked 1-3 then yes,they deserve atg status

[Jedi Vader]

Do you go by the same definition of ATG as your idol jab does?

Between 50 and 100 you say. I see. We might have to readress that claim later depending on your definition of ATG, but it is noted that you have Vitali ranked up to 80 places below the ranking that your idol and boxing history moderator jab has.

Jabs uses H2H and that's something I don't see that's relevant whatsoever but I respect his opinions.

What does Jabs' ranking of Klitali have to do with mine?



Now are you going to answer the questions that Jabs has desperately been seeking for or are you just going to continue to be a sarcastic **** and :bukkake: the Klits like you always do?

I answered your question, your turn to answer Jabs.

[Jedi Vader]

jabs question is in terrible context.he list the names of the fighters without listing where they were ranked.all of those guys were top 1-3 guys in the division.so if somebody dominates 10 guys ranked 1-3 then yes,they deserve atg status

Are any of these fighters you speak of ATG's?

[BostonGuy]

By virtue of JAB's ATG criteria/logic, does that preclude Wladimir Klitschko from entering the ATG debate?

A cursory look at JAB's criteria for "ATG" suggests that you have to have beaten some HOFers on your resume. I think you could argue that Chris Byrd is future hall of famer....

[r.burgundy]

Are any of these fighters you speak of ATG's?

how many atg's did roy beat during his lhw campaign,or hopkins beat,or joe frazier,joe louis or ken norton,holmes,or george foreman?did marciano fight a prime atg?

every era is not gonna be populated with atg's.imo their havent even been 20 truly great hw fighters.it was always an extremely overrated division.

if we are gonna criticize the klitschos comp,then lets apply that standard to everybody

[BattlingNelson]

Jabs uses H2H and that's something I don't see that's relevant whatsoever but I respect his opinions.

What does Jabs' ranking of Klitali have to do with mine?

Its highly relevant since you and jab has laughed at the posters voting for Vitali in Jab's highly skewed and biased poll. Since you both define ATG in entirely different ways, how can you then be entitled to laugh at people who might define ATG in a third Way?

Just think. Jab has Vitali just out of the top 20 while you might have him as no. 100. Big difference.

That is the glaring problem of this thread; that ATG is left undefined. How can you have the nerve to ridicule people who do nothing wrong? They just vote according to their definition which clearly cannot be wrong since ATG is undefined. That makes you a troll.

Now are you going to answer the questions that Jabs has desperately been seeking for or are you just going to continue to be a sarcastic **** and :bukkake: the Klits like you always do?

I answered your question, your turn to answer Jabs.

Are you joking? I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of the oft-banned boxing history moderator. And you as well, but you are frankly nothing but a small irrelevant turd in this (and other) threads. Jab is a scholar of boxing history, and a forum leader so surely he can explain how there's nothing wrong with ridiculing posters who might rank Vitali as no. 20 while he himself ranks him JUST below.

Why doesn't he ridicule you? You rank Vitali maybe a whopping 80 places below him? Odd isn't it? Instead he harassess those who rank Vitali as little as A SINGLE PLACE above himself!

What does that tell you? It tells you that the oft-banned moderator jab is just a petty troll with an agenda.

[BattlingNelson]

By virtue of JAB's ATG criteria/logic, does that preclude Wladimir Klitschko from entering the ATG debate?

A cursory look at JAB's criteria for "ATG" suggests that you have to have beaten some HOFers on your resume. I think you could argue that Chris Byrd is future hall of famer....

I bet that Jedi Turd has Byrd ranked above Vitali.