Comments Thread For: No Real Controversy in Dereck Chisora’s Knockout Win

[MarcianoFan]

There was a poll on ESB as to who would have won the fight if it had continued, last I looked it was 40-5 in favour of Chisora so yeah, there was a consensus on which way the fight was going which is why I feel it would have been unfair to hand Scott the fight on a TD.



I don't think they have been released.

I tend to favor the guy coming forward ineffectually over the guy backing up, jabbing defensively and ineffectually, and holding, which is why I had Chisora up (again, in addition to his clean effective body work). But it was close to a 50-50 fight going into the 6th scorecard wise. Reasonable people could have it by a point for each guy without a stretch. But after the 6th is scored, it's more like 90-10 Chisora. You'd have to be stretching to have Scott ahead after losing a 10-8 round.

By the way, US-based boxing website boxrank.org had it for Chisora 48-47, just for the record. And yes, that's a shameless plug for the website I run.

[Weebler I]

I tend to favor the guy coming forward ineffectually over the guy backing up, jabbing defensively and ineffectually, and holding, which is why I had Chisora up (again, in addition to his clean effective body work). But it was close to a 50-50 fight going into the 6th scorecard wise. Reasonable people could have it by a point for each guy without a stretch. But after the 6th is scored, it's more like 90-10 Chisora. You'd have to be stretching to have Scott ahead after losing a 10-8 round.

I agree, for me every round was close except the 5th which was clearly Scott's (imo) and then the 6th which was clearly Chisora but when you have so many sources having Scott up by just one point in a close fight it begins to look just a little biased. If the fight was that close (and it was imo) then why wouldn't more of them have Chisora up or have it even? Fwiw I had it 2-2 with one even round going into the 6th but under the unwritten 'close rounds go to the home fighter' rule (it's b/s but it exists in practice) you'd have to think Chisora was well placed.

By the way, US-based boxing website boxrank.org had it for Chisora 48-47, just for the record. And yes, that's a shameless plug for the website I run.

lol I'll check it out

Still Malik deserved the chance to come back from the knockdown. Since he got up before 10.

No argument with that.

[New England]

Am I wrong; doesn't the Rule say that the downed fighter has 10 seconds to rise to his feet..... And as I recall-admittedly a long time ago- when I was a kid and being a boxer i was often at ringside and many a time i heard the referee Lugs Brannigan (well known to all Irishmen and National Stadium attendees of those days) count 9....10... and OUT.

Things have changed.

the ref is constantly evaluating you during the count. his job is to decide whether or not you can continue to box safely.

if you wait until 9.99 seconds to get abck up you're making his job far too difficult. he's generally not looking at a fighter's knees. he is looking at his face and deciding whether or not he can continue.

[New England]

They were all hurt numerous times and ready to go. Scott was nodding to the ref, clearly unhurt. Very different situations.

you don't fault scott for cutting it so close?

if he's nodding, where are the refs eyes going to be? probably not on scott's feet.

[Windmills]

Scott's fault for cutting it so damned close. The ref did wave it off when Scott could've fought on but better too early than too late imo

[ShoulderRoll]

Who cares how long Scott took, as long as it was before 10? His head was scrambled and maybe he needed all that time to get his bearings.

[jayblack]

This is ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone can defend the ref in this situation. The rules state that every fighter who is knocked down has 10 seconds to get up. Scott was not given his full time to get off the canvas. There is no grey area there and no defending the stoppage.

[New England]

This is ridiculous. I don't understand how anyone can defend the ref in this situation. The rules state that every fighter who is knocked down has 10 seconds to get up. Scott was not given his full time to get off the canvas. There is no grey area there and no defending the stoppage.

the rule states that a ref can stop a fighter at any time. fighters beat the count and are still waved off. you've got to do more than just make it into the soles of your shoes in time.


scott is supposed to be up at eight. that is the standard procedure. a ref cannot get down to floor level and time your feet with a stop watch. a trainer will tell you to get up at seven or eight and prove that you are ok. scott cut it way too close, and the ref called the fight.

[MarcianoFan]

the rule states that a ref can stop a fighter at any time. fighters beat the count and are still waved off. you've got to do more than just make it into the soles of your shoes in time.


scott is supposed to be up at eight. that is the standard procedure. a ref cannot get down to floor level and time your feet with a stop watch. a trainer will tell you to get up at seven or eight and prove that you are ok. scott cut it way too close, and the ref called the fight.

Really? At any time? So there's really no such thing as a bad stoppage, I guess?

The problem we're running into is that the ref did NOT rule it a TKO due to Scott's inability to continue. He claimed that it was a KO by virtue of Scott not beating the count. You can't excuse a false KO by pointing out the ref's non-exercised discretion to rule a TKO. That's like saying it's okay for a baseball umpire to call a batter out swinging when he held up on a ball in the dirt because he has the power to call the pitch a strike even without a swing. It was in the dirt. It wasn't a strike. Likewise, Scott wasn't hurt badly enough to be stopped, nor is that the call made by the ref.

You're basically saying you're okay with Edwards making "Bad Call A" because he technically also had the power to make "Bad Call B." They're both bad calls! Why are you going to such ridiculous lengths to torture logic enough to make it sound defensible?

[ShoulderRoll]

scott is supposed to be up at eight. that is the standard procedure.

I don't see that anywhere in the rules. Nor do I see where it says that if a fighter gets up at 9 it will be ruled a KO loss.