Has The May-Ghost PPV Buys Been Released Yet?

[ßringer]

Nothing's there. Dan and Iole have been wrong about PPV numbers plenty of times. Iole especially is a UFC stooge. Showsport's president trumps Dan Rafael.

I seriously doubt that in regards to this particular matter. Showtime is now in bed with Team Mayweather, they wouldn't say or do anything to jeopardize that multi-million dollar relationship. If the PPV sank (which it obviously did), it's in their best interest to gloss over it and pretend that things were completely copacetic.

Plus, like I said, look at Floyd taking on Alvarez (the biggest draw outside of himself) in his very next fight, and Showtime stacking the undercard with bouts like Matthysse/Garcia, and Lara/Trout.

[HeroBando]

do the math of 870k buys for the pricetage they charged which close 65mil; so that means Showtime and CBS spent 80 mil on that fight I doubt; what funny people will say Stephen said words like will and maybe. But never include Dan Rafeal and Forbes say rumored and sources.

Lets hope SHO were not using this math when they offered Floyd that 6 fight contract, it's bad math. It's missing the near half that goes to cable and satellite distributors. Got that? I'll quiz you on this and Floyd's 40m offer, to see if these economic lessons are taking.

[dc3383]

It's kind of depressing that some diehard Floyd fans have deluded themselves into thinking that this PPV was somehow a roaring success, despite no release of official numbers whatsoever. I guess in their mind they think less than a million buys is some kind of knock on Floyd's star power, but it's really not. I don't give a **** who you are or how talented you are, every fighter needs a good dance partner to break 1 million buys, and Guerrero was anything but.

Not only was he completely unknown to casual boxing fans, but even hardcore boxing fans who knew him well laughed at his chances of winning more than a round or two.

I agree with all of that; lets just say it did 870k there's no concrete proof either way. But when 870k is considered a flop you've done something right. Who else can generate those type of numbers other than maybe Manny.

[ßringer]

There are people out there guys who make stuff up, and then there are those who know. If you can't give a specific number, then it's all just mumbo jumbo, misinformation given on purpose to keep up the hate of the fighter that they don't like. That's all. Margarito's fans are displaced, Pac's fans are displaced, and when Mtthysse's fans become displaced, I'm going to ban myself because the ish that I'm going to post...you don't want to read.

This is a pretty sad commentary on the state of boxing discussion on this forum : One cannot even voice a legitimate criticism of a lackluster pay-per-view without some ****face like yourself immediately jumping to the conclusion that they're a "hater."

I wish you would ban yourself. You'd be doing us all a favor.

[HeroBando]

I doubt they look at the single digits over idiot, when he says will be over he probably meant 1.1 or 1.2 not 1 over 1 mil. Common sense isn't hard unless you haven't any.

You say "will be over" when you're under dumba$$

[croz]

I seriously doubt that in regards to this particular matter. Showtime is now in bed with Team Mayweather, they wouldn't say or do anything to jeopardize that multi-million dollar relationship. If the PPV sank (which it obviously did), it's in their best intrest to gloss over it and pretend that things were completely copacetic.

Plus, like I said, look at Floyd taking on Alvarez (the biggest draw outside of himself) in his very next fight, and Showtime stacking the undercard with bouts like Matthysse/Garcia, and Lara/Trout.

It's been this way for years now. Whenever journalists start releasing PPV numbers everyone always starts demanding clarification from Showtime or HBO. People still don't believe the Pac vs Mosley numbers because it was Dan Rafael who leaked them and not Showsports. Now Showsports releases the numbers people start demanding clarification from Dan Rafael? That's ****ing ******ed. Boxing fans are knee deep in double speak.

[ßringer]

I agree with all of that; lets just say it did 870k there's no concrete proof either way. But when 870k is considered a flop you've done something right. Who else can generate those type of numbers other than maybe Manny.

Oh, I agree absolutely. 870K is a respectable number. It's just that the bar has been set so high in recent memory by guys like Mayweather, Tyson, and De La Hoya that spoiled fans consider anything less than 1 million buys a failure, and that's really not the case.

The more interesting angle here is how much Showtime spent on promoting the fight, and how that number compares to the sales figures of, say 870K buys.

[illmaticfighter]

it was a tune up against a top 10 ww, the superfight is here and we know showtimes gonna love those numbers.

[HeroBando]

Oh, I agree absolutely. 870K is a respectable number. It's just that the bar has been set so high in recent memory by guys like Mayweather, Tyson, and De La Hoya that spoiled fans consider anything less than 1 million buys a failure, and that's really not the case.

The more interesting angle here is how much Showtime spent on promoting the fight, and how that number compares to the sales figures of, say 870K buys.

They didn't spend all that much promoting it, but they assumed the role of promoter by making that huge guarantee. So the bar to success is the very high break even point, even if in most circumstances 870k is a success.

[HeroBando]

it was a tune up against a top 10 ww, the superfight is here and we know showtimes gonna love those numbers.

They will, though the card will be super expensive. They might even make up the money lost on Guerrero. but what then? You just used your trump card, 4 more super expensive fights to go. Showtime's gotta be hoping for a Floyd loss, or a very competitive fight vs Canelo that would make a rematch viable