Was I The Only One Impressed By Broner?

[DLT]

It was no robbery, but you haven't really said much about what impressed you about Broner during the fight.

I wrote so much that I lost track of stuff.....lol

I was impressed with his speed, accuracy, timing, and yes even his power at the higher weights. My point though is that Im more impressed with the accomplishment. Its like people look at Paulie and think that if you are truly elite then you should dominate him. They keep it very black & white in that regard while I always take into account all the factors.

This guy was just at 130 a couple of fights ago and is now fighting 4 divisions higher. Considering that and the fact that he's 23, it was impressive to me. I think even without al of that, if you didnt know his name or who he was, you would think he was a very talented fighter if you just watched that fight but he still needs to put all the tools together. Right now he's more of a poor man's James Toney the he is Floyd but whats wrong with that?

All in all, I was one who gave him more credit for this even before the fight. I didnt see it as a cherry pick. I said then that even if you don think it is, he still hasnt had nearly the bad resume that others think and that if you really want to judge him then do it for the fight he takes after Paulie. I said that decision will tell alot about him and how good he is. Now if he fights Maidana or someone like that then I think he's done pretty well for himself, win or lose.

He's very talented but again, all these guys are good. Its like fans wanna have it both ways. They want all the best to fight eachother but are quick to write them off as bums if they lose. Broner is good. He's very good. However, he still may lose because all of these guys are good, most of them are far more seasoned than him, and most are jumping different divisions like him.

There is no shame in these guys beating eachother. It doesnt make you a bum. All these guys have a chance to beat eachother. All these fights are intriguing and Broner is right in that mix. I just dont get the hate. Maybe you dont like the way he conducts himself but thats what makes boxing great. I love all the different personalities.

[Dagomba]

Im 11. And even i know paulie won that fight
Ask adrien how that jab tasted ?? Paulie did his thing

So? I'm 22 so I have more sense than you. Broner won.

[New England]

I didn't want to say this, but I suspected he jumped the 140 division because its loaded with talent, but 147 has the weaker opposition and the money fights right now.

It was best chance at grabbing a belt in the higher weight classes of who's out there, in my opinion, and a good matchup for him. I hope he didn't duck the 140 division, but it does look like it.

he can let them beat the hell out of each other by virtue of his billing and pull with the networks. he'll probably fight matthysse after a couple years of hard fights, because matthysse is the kind of guy who will take them.

i see the value in both paths. you only get one brain, and you've got to make your money in a very quick window.

good to see you in NSB, homie. you're always good with great advice in the training section.

[Weebler I]

I wrote so much that I lost track of stuff.....lol

I was impressed with his speed, accuracy, timing, and yes even his power at the higher weights. My point though is that Im more impressed with the accomplishment.

Yeah that's fine, I gave him credit pre-fight for that too. Very good accomplishment from a good fighter. I just think he (and others) raised expectations too high.

The other thing is that he's won 3 close decisions in his opponent's backyard, if he wasn't signed to who he is signed to those could have gone against him and he wouldn't have the hype he currently does with 24-3 instead of 27-0.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

yea, DLT...you probably are


when the fight ended, i wasn't sitting there going 'WOW...that was ****ing impressive! i'm sold on Broner...he totally schooled a b-level, paper champ with no power..THAT is how you get it done'

[DLT]

i'd give him more credit for the jump in weight if it weren't a pretty blatant attempt to duck lucas matthysse. he fought paulie malignaggi, a career jr WW who can't punch a lick. it wasn't an easy fight, though i thought he won. it's clear now that he's not looking for a tough fight, and that he's going to have real issues at 147 if he fights anybody decent.

i'll obviously be looking closely at his next fight. he'll get more respect from me if he fights a solid fighter @ 140 or 147 regardless. he's in his prime. this is the time when he should be taking big fights for big money, and making his case for a shot at floyd mayweather. he's not doing that at all, and still getting paid.

this is a guy who calls himself about billions. so far no good.

but see, this is my problem with fans. Lets say that its true he moved up to duck Lucas. 1st of all I dont agree that even if it were true, its just about Lucas. There are a ton of other guys he could fight at 140 besides Lucas.

Back to the point though, fans always want everything yesterday. I never agree with that. Its like he moved up to duck Lucas and now the world ends. The world doesnt end. He can still fight Lucas in his very next fight.

One minute people say he hasnt fought anyone and the next they say they want him to fight the guy who they consider the best in the division. Why? If you dont think he's fought anyone then you should want him to go through the normal steps to get there.

Whats wrong (e****ally at 23 in different weights) to fight Paulie, then Maidana, then Lucas? Is that really so horrible? All that after also fighting PDL & Demarco. He hasnt done nearly as bad as people say. They just want him to lose.

Then you also have to look at the benefits from Broner's side. I talked about this before the fight. I said that I dont like Broner's chances fully to move up to 140 and take on a great fighter right away but if you go to WW and then come back down to 140 then all of assudden it seems alot easier. It makes you feel like you are the bigger stronger guy who is moving back down to fight these guys at 140. If you can handle WW then 140 seems easier to you.

Either way though, we should get the answer to everyone's question in his next fight. I just hope everyone will spare the hate though if he doesnt fight Lucas but still fights a good fighter like Maidana, etc...

I actually would be even interested in seeing a fight with Lopez at 140 but Im probably the only one

[DLT]

yea, DLT...you probably are


when the fight ended, i wasn't sitting there going 'WOW...that was ****ing impressive! i'm sold on Broner...he totally schooled a b-level, paper champ with no power..THAT is how you get it done'

every win isnt going to be a domination. I believe that styles make fights and I do believe there are things that Paulie did to him that would give him more problems then fighters who are considered way better than Paulie. Its like no one thought Floyd would beat Chico after that blood & guts fight he had with Burton who already had a million losses

[DLT]

Yeah that's fine, I gave him credit pre-fight for that too. Very good accomplishment from a good fighter. I just think he (and others) raised expectations too high.

The other thing is that he's won 3 close decisions in his opponent's backyard, if he wasn't signed to who he is signed to those could have gone against him and he wouldn't have the hype he currently does with 24-3 instead of 27-0.

true but maybe if he wasnt in his opponents backyard then they woudlnt have ben been close fights. He definitely has alot to learn. Trust me, Im not sold on him. Im not saying he's going to be great. He could be great but he could also lose his next fight to some of these top guys. Neither would surprise me but I dont think he's shown anything for people to call him a bum or get the hate that he has been. Infact, I think what he's done so far he's been underrated instead of being overrated which is the general consensus

[-MAKAVELLI-]

every win isnt going to be a domination. I believe that styles make fights and I do believe there are things that Paulie did to him that would give him more problems then fighters who are considered way better than Paulie. Its like no one thought Floyd would beat Chico after that blood & guts fight he had with Burton who already had a million losses

and that's why you were impressed? you really sat there after the fight and thought 'man, what a GREAT fight by Broner'?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

How could anyone possibly be impressed with Broner? hahaha

Let's look at the facts.

- Broner could not make 135 anymore, so it's not like he "came up two weight classes", he didn't. He was already too big for 135 and might have some slight issues at 140.

- Paulie is a past his prime, feather fisted blown up welterweight. I said before the fight, and so did most of the announcers, Paulie was the smaller man that night, it's the reason Broner targeted him.

- Broner was outworked but when he did land combo's, couldn't even hurt Paulie. I honestly expected him to KO Paulie and he couldn't even stun him.

- Broner showed ZERO movement. Part of it is because he had no respect for Paulie's power and part of it is because he never moves. He just walks forward and likes to counter and everytime he hits someone, they go down. He's not used to someone being able to take his shots.

Broner has good natural ability and skills, but Paulie was right in that he's being hyped up way too much. It's obvious Showtime likes him and a lot of that has to do with his KO ratio and his loud mouth.

I personally don't think Broner is lb 4 lb, not in the least. I think the monsters at 140 will cause him great problems. He is too flat footed, his defense isn't as good as some might think and when he goes up against someone who doesn't pitty pat, he will feel the difference.

I was FAR from impressed with Broner.