Would a healthy Haye beat Wlad

[yoz]

Haye had enough stamina to rock Wladimir in the 12th round. Haye's stamina was great in that fight because Wladimir didn't work him that hard.

I agree. He wasn't gassing. He threw nothing for most of the fight, so he should have had plenty in the tank.

[Arsene Knows]

"Dude, you broke your thumb. Why would you risk going into a fight handicapped?"

- Wladimir Klitschko to Johnathon Banks

I notice most Klitschko fans ducked this quote. Any thoughts?

[Simurgh]

I notice most Klitschko fans ducked this quote. Any thoughts?

He boxed better than against Valuev. He was trying... It just wasn't enough to beat Wlad. He is not on Wlad's level.. Injury has nothing or very little with that. Both Haye and Adam admitted it's not the reason why Wlad beat him..

[Simurgh]

I agree. He wasn't gassing. He threw nothing for most of the fight, so he should have had plenty in the tank.

He fell down so many times in that fight. Many of those where without strong contact... I am not sure about his stamina.

Although Haye didn't do much (or at least the effect wasn't visible) he was gassing IMO.

[Arsene Knows]

He boxed better than against Valuev. He was trying... It just wasn't enough to beat Wlad. He is not on Wlad's level.. Injury has nothing or very little with that. Both Haye and Adam admitted it's not the reason why Wlad beat him..

What does that have to do with the quote from Wlad?

[yoz]

He fell down so many times in that fight. Many of those where without strong contact... I am not sure about his stamina.

Although Haye didn't do much (or at least the effect wasn't visible) he was gassing IMO.

You may be right. His stamina is terrible. If he was gassing, though, with that punch output, he must have been poorly conditioned.

[Arsene Knows]

He fell down so many times in that fight. Many of those where without strong contact... I am not sure about his stamina.

Although Haye didn't do much (or at least the effect wasn't visible) he was gassing IMO.

That had nothing to do with stamina. To be honest, that was the best thing Haye did the whole fight lol. Wlad's opponents and the referees usually let him lean all over them. Haye deliberately dropped to the canvas to avoid that.

[yoz]

That had nothing to do with stamina. To be honest, that was the best thing Haye did the whole fight lol. Wlad's opponents and the referees usually let him lean all over them. Haye deliberately dropped to the canvas to avoid that.

His 'clinching' is greatly exaggerated. Haye came for his cheque; had no interest in making it a fight.

[Simurgh]

What does that have to do with the quote from Wlad?

So what is your question? I though you are pointing out on Haye's 'injury'.

[Arsene Knows]

So what is your question? I though you are pointing out on Haye's 'injury'.

"Dude, you broke your thumb. Why would you risk going into a fight handicapped?"

- Wladimir Klitschko to Johnathon Banks

Sounds like Wladimir thinks Haye was "handicapped".....