When was the last time Mayweather faced a legitimate Threat?

[Marvellous1]

You mean making Marquez come from 135 to 143? And then coming in overweight even more so in the weigh in?

Yeah, real good win by Mayweather... not.

For which fight was it that Marquez weighed in 143lbs and Pacquiao 147lbs on the button? Fight 3 or 4? Same weight differential at the weigh-in, right? Why didn't that help Pacquiao handle Marquez as well as Mayweather did? If weight is so important, that is....... just curious on what you think.

[T18Z]

For which fight was it that Marquez weighed in 143lbs and Pacquiao 147lbs on the button? Fight 3 or 4? Same weight differential at the weigh-in, right? Why didn't that help Pacquiao handle Marquez as well as Mayweather did? If weight is so important, that is....... just curious on what you think.

2011-11-12 : Manny Pacquiao 143 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 142 lbs by MD in round 12 of 12 - fight 3

I assume you're talking about fight number 4, where Pacquaio at weigh in weighed 147, and Marquez weighed 143. Mayweather dragged Marquez up to the welterweight division to fight him, and it was his first time fighting at that weight, they put a 144 catchweight and Mayweather ignored it. To bring a guy up from a lower weight, then come in over the limit against him, it's a d1ck move, Pacquaio ain't done that. By the fourth fight Marquez had fought at welterweight multiple times and it's clear his body was filling out to fit that division so it's definitely not the same situation. By now Marquez is a welterweight easily, back then he came straight from 135.

[Marvellous1]

2011-11-12 : Manny Pacquiao 143 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 142 lbs by MD in round 12 of 12 - fight 3

I assume you're talking about fight number 4, where Pacquaio at weigh in weighed 147, and Marquez weighed 143. Mayweather dragged Marquez up to the welterweight division to fight him, and it was his first time fighting at that weight, they put a 144 catchweight and Mayweather ignored it. To bring a guy up from a lower weight, then come in over the limit against him, it's a d1ck move, Pacquaio ain't done that. By the fourth fight Marquez had fought at welterweight multiple times and it's clear his body was filling out to fit that division so it's definitely not the same situation. By now Marquez is a welterweight easily, back then he came straight from 135.

I know what happened regarding the catchweight situation. I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs so untwist your panties. I'm talking about the effects of the weight differentials. How much of a difference they made to the fights. What you're trying to say, is that Marquez was different after the "multiple" fights he'd had at welterweight since the Mayweather fight. How many exactly were there and who against? I can only count another catchweight against Pacquiao and then another against Pacquiao. Anything else inbetween was at lighter weights. Did I miss anything?

So, again, if weight was such a big factor, how come Pacquiao couldn't make that work for him? Or, is it down to styles?

How good a welterweight is Brandon Rios? Is he a " legitimate" threat?

[T18Z]

I know what happened regarding the catchweight situation. I'm not talking about the rights and wrongs so untwist your panties. I'm talking about the effects of the weight differentials. How much of a difference they made to the fights. What you're trying to say, is that Marquez was different after the "multiple" fights he'd had at welterweight since the Mayweather fight. How many exactly were there and who against? I can only count another catchweight against Pacquiao and then another against Pacquiao. Anything else inbetween was at lighter weights. Did I miss anything?

So, again, if weight was such a big factor, how come Pacquiao couldn't make that work for him? Or, is it down to styles?

How good a welterweight is Brandon Rios? Is he a " legitimate" threat?

Pacquaio won the fight, so essentially it did 'work' for him, but I see what you're getting at. You're saying why didn't Pacquaio dominate Marquez like Mayweather, I'm saying Mayweathers win is tainted from making the guy come from 135 (Pacquaio fought him when he'd had experience at welterweight). Has Pacquaio ever came in over the weight limit vs Marquez? Mayweather did, and that's the point.

Rios isn't established at welterweight yet, but considering his last fight with Alvarado and both are there weights well over 150 it would be safe to assume he will be more suited in this division (weight). He's a legit threat, yeah, especially because he can punch and is a pressure fighter, so for this specific situation, he is.

[John Barron]

2011-11-12 : Manny Pacquiao 143 lbs beat Juan Manuel Marquez 142 lbs by MD in round 12 of 12 - fight 3

I assume you're talking about fight number 4, where Pacquaio at weigh in weighed 147, and Marquez weighed 143. Mayweather dragged Marquez up to the welterweight division to fight him, and it was his first time fighting at that weight, they put a 144 catchweight and Mayweather ignored it. To bring a guy up from a lower weight, then come in over the limit against him, it's a d1ck move, Pacquaio ain't done that. By the fourth fight Marquez had fought at welterweight multiple times and it's clear his body was filling out to fit that division so it's definitely not the same situation. By now Marquez is a welterweight easily, back then he came straight from 135.

marquez challenged floyd and even entertained the idea of moving up in weight right after the diaz fight, marquez wasn't dragged into doing anything. pacquiao trying to get the same advantage after the fact then failing miserably was comical though.

[T18Z]

marquez challenged floyd and even entertained the idea of moving up in weight right after the diaz fight, marquez wasn't dragged into doing anything. pacquiao trying to get the same advantage after the fact then failing miserably was comical though.

I say dragged because it's unlikely Mayweather would ever fight at Marquez weight class, I assume you could say the same for Manny, however Manny didn't come in over the legal limit, that's the point.

[The Big Dunn]

I say dragged because it's unlikely Mayweather would ever fight at Marquez weight class, I assume you could say the same for Manny, however Manny didn't come in over the legal limit, that's the point.

why would the heavier fighter and larger draw go down to 135 to fight JMM when his previous 6 fights were above 135?

[Marvellous1]

Pacquaio won the fight, so essentially it did 'work' for him, but I see what you're getting at. You're saying why didn't Pacquaio dominate Marquez like Mayweather, I'm saying Mayweathers win is tainted from making the guy come from 135 (Pacquaio fought him when he'd had experience at welterweight). Has Pacquaio ever came in over the weight limit vs Marquez? Mayweather did, and that's the point.

Rios isn't established at welterweight yet, but considering his last fight with Alvarado and both are there weights well over 150 it would be safe to assume he will be more suited in this division (weight). He's a legit threat, yeah, especially because he can punch and is a pressure fighter, so for this specific situation, he is.

Yes, and pressure fighters do so well against Manny Pacquiao, don't they? Be honest, would Rios be a "legitimate" threat for Mayweather too? You might think Rios would be suited to welterweight, but we have as much proof of that as we did when Marquez faced Mayweather.

Mayweather didn't MAKE Marquez do anything, or he made Marquez, as much as Pacquiao MADE Cotto defend HIS title at a catchweight. Do you think that win is tainted too? If not, why not? Do you think the weight made no difference in that fight? I think style-wise, Pacquiao always beats Cotto.

And we must be getting a little mixed up. I thought the fight where Pacquiao had a 4lbs advantage over Marquez, Pacquiao got knocked out, so the weight advantage did zero for him. So again, if the weight difference was so important (or is it now lack of experience for Marquez, or something else), why couldn't Pacquiao make it work the way Mayweather did in dominating Marquez? You would say even today, that Marquez is a "legitimate" threat for Pacquiao. Would he be one to Mayweather? Even with his experience at welterweight?

[I Love Jesus!]

LOL? me hurting? hell no.

You're projecting . Floyd apologist are the ones who are hurting when true boxing fans point out he ducked the whole welterweight division when it was filled with prime fighters. That is indisputable. sorry to burst your bubble, i couldnt care less if floyd is ppv#1 that doesnt change the fact he ducked a lot of fighters and that is gonna hurt what is left of his "what if he had the heart to fight ____name of a prime fighter. Sorry.

dont forget about how he did the same at 140 lol. Everyone knows now though the past cant be changed. I think thats why Floyd took this fight. He knows he didn't fool everybody the last 10 years or so and it eats him up inside that most think he's got little heart compared to other great fighters.

[T18Z]

Yes, and pressure fighters do so well against Manny Pacquiao, don't they? Be honest, would Rios be a "legitimate" threat for Mayweather too? You might think Rios would be suited to welterweight, but we have as much proof of that as we did when Marquez faced Mayweather.

Mayweather didn't MAKE Marquez do anything, or he made Marquez, as much as Pacquiao MADE Cotto defend HIS title at a catchweight. Do you think that win is tainted too? If not, why not? Do you think the weight made no difference in that fight? I think style-wise, Pacquiao always beats Cotto.

And we must be getting a little mixed up. I thought the fight where Pacquiao had a 4lbs advantage over Marquez, Pacquiao got knocked out, so the weight advantage did zero for him. So again, if the weight difference was so important (or is it now lack of experience for Marquez, or something else), why couldn't Pacquiao make it work the way Mayweather did in dominating Marquez? You would say even today, that Marquez is a "legitimate" threat for Pacquiao. Would he be one to Mayweather? Even with his experience at welterweight?

No, but it's a threat because we don't know how Pacquaio will deal with a pressure fighter after being KO'd, that's what makes things different. In normal circumstances he isn't a threat, right now he is.

I think the Pacquaio vs Cotto fight is largely different when you compare it to Marquez vs Mayweather. Cottos last like six fights he had not even weighed over 147 pounds before facing Pacquaio, where as you are comparing Mayweather facing a previous 135 fighter who had never fought above that weight, and then coming in an extra 2 pounds, those 2 variables are what I'm talking about, the Cotto vs Pacquaio isn't to be compared because it isn't the same.

You don't know if the weight had a difference or not, nor do I, but simply winning over a previous 135 fighter, and coming in overweight for that fight is way more serious than what you're proposing with other fighters. I'm comparing Mayweather to Marquez, you are bringing other fights into this and comparing apples to oranges and in the process trying to make me either say the weight matters or it doesn't, I'm saying in this situation Mayweather did himself no favors for recognition in his win over Marquez.