When was the last time Mayweather faced a legitimate Threat?

[Marvellous1]

No, but it's a threat because we don't know how Pacquaio will deal with a pressure fighter after being KO'd, that's what makes things different. In normal circumstances he isn't a threat, right now he is.

I think the Pacquaio vs Cotto fight is largely different when you compare it to Marquez vs Mayweather. Cottos last like six fights he had not even weighed over 147 pounds before facing Pacquaio, where as you are comparing Mayweather facing a previous 135 fighter who had never fought above that weight, and then coming in an extra 2 pounds, those 2 variables are what I'm talking about, the Cotto vs Pacquaio isn't to be compared because it isn't the same.

You don't know if the weight had a difference or not, nor do I, but simply winning over a previous 135 fighter, and coming in overweight for that fight is way more serious than what you're proposing with other fighters. I'm comparing Mayweather to Marquez, you are bringing other fights into this and comparing apples to oranges and in the process trying to make me either say the weight matters or it doesn't, I'm saying in this situation Mayweather did himself no favors for recognition in his win over Marquez.

Why did Mayweather do himself no favours? Because the fight would've been completely different if he'd made weight? I think it was more because he was totally unprofessional with a contractual agreement.

You say it's apples to oranges, and I'm talking about situations where people have a problem with fairness rather than the effects weight conditions have on fights. Was what Mayweather did fair? Not at all. Did it make a huge difference? Not at all. Same can be said for Cotto vs Pacquiao and you know that but just don't want to say it.

Marquez was still more of a lightwelter even in fight 4 and Pacquiao just couldn't make a 4lbs advantage (the same Mayweather had) work in his favour. And Marquez would be more of a threat to Pacquiao than to Mayweather now too. Why? Because of weight? Or experience?

What I'm getting at, is that the term "legitimate" threat can be pretty subjective due to circumstance and changes so much with hindsight. Also, the fact that consistant top level fighters in most divisions being considered a non-threat says more about the fighter in question.

[MindBat]

I think for the most part- floyd has fought top-level guys.... But he gets alot of heat for the timing of his fights....

Since the Oscar fight in may 2007, Floyd has been the money man in boxing and can make any fight he wants to. Much like oscar, tyson, SRL, ali, etc....
When you are the biggest money prizefighter in the game, there are no excuses, especially when you do your own promoting......

The lack of truely meaningful fights since the oscar win is what hurts floyd's legacy the most...
The B.s. retirements only to come back in the to fight hatton at a weight where hatton pretty much is 0-3...
Then sitting out the whole 2008 when Margs and Cotto and Oscar rematch all loomed for floyd.....
I do give him credit for coming off a 1 1/2 year layoff and fighting the reigning lw champ marquez and reigning ww champ Shane.... and only losing maybe 2 rounds...

But then sitting out again...

It is obvious that Floyd didn't want to fight-Margs, cotto, oscar, manny....
Those would have all been huge career paydays, and for a guy that claims to be about the money, how can you turn down that much $$$$$$$$$$$$

The retirement thing was all strategically planned. If you remember, when Floyd announced his exit and left, it was Hatton who got on a pedestal and called out for Floyd on live TV, saying crazy stuff, believing Floyd wouldn't come back for a good while.

How wrong he was when Floyd's team put in that call to Ricky's camp.

Floyd then realized someone was keeping Pacquiao from moving up a weight
division to avoid a fight with Floyd at any cost. Floyd announced his exit again, and guess who they move up to the welter with all kinds of high praises and accolades?

Floyd's gone almost 2 years and gets called out by Marquez who just demolished a young Baby Bull in stunning fashion. Floyd answers the call, beats Marquez, and names the fighters he'd like to face next - Pacquiao being one of them.

Shane calls Floyd out after a decisive victory over Margarito, but the only fight everyone wants to see is Floyd and Pac, and they enter into negotiations with a stipulation on contract that BOTH fighters' blood and
urine would be tested randomly.

The random testing throws Team Pacquiao for a loop and they decide it's best to avoid the fight at all costs after Ariza's comment of being responsible for what Manny puts into his body.

Nego's for the mega-fight die down and everyone, including Arum, claim Floyd is avoiding Shane.

The rest is history.

[MurkaMan]

1. JMM weight issue was a big factor. Though Floyd still beats him, cheating him on the scales to gain an advantage fight night is classless.

2. Mosley was completely shot going into the fight. He had gone through 2x training camps and had a long layoff. I predicted easy fight for Mayweather UD.

3. What long layoff was Floyd coming off of when fighting Shane? He just fought JMM in September.

3. Ortiz has the mentality of a mouse.

4. Again, 99.9% of the boxing community said Ghost had no chance against Floyd. Look at the Aydin fight, Robert struggled against a guy who throws 1-2 punch combos and covers up half the fight. Also Aydin has zero movement at all. He was hurt against a few body shots. Ghost is slow, lacks power, defense is poor and **** accuracy fighter while throwing those "volume" punches, you should've of never predicted a Ghost victory. What were you thinking?

Again these are just my opinions of his recent fights, I'm just trying to point out Canelo is Floyd's sole legitimate fight in a VERY long time.

You can say that Floyd cheating him on the scale was classless. I could agree. But what I WONT do is credit Juan's loss to the weight. Floyd made him look like a F-O-O-L!!!! Absolutely NO asterisk.

I had no prediction for Floyd vs Mosley. But Mosley wasnt shot. He had proved that in his last fight against Margarita. Floyd fought him coming off a great KO victory. And Floyd came off a TWO year layoff before fighting JMM. Mosley was active fighting Margarita. I will NEVER say Shane was shot. He was OLD, but his last fight showed no shot man. Like I said before, BOTH fighters were old.

I dont care about Ortiz's mentality. All I said was that it was a GREAT opponent at the time, based off of both fighters last fight. Floyd got caught by Shane. Shane was a little old. But Ortiz is bigger than Shane, stronger, faster, in his prime, and is a southpaw. Based off the Mosley fight, if Shane could land a good shot, then OF COURSE Ortiz could. EVERYONE was excited about that fight being made. Once it was made, people started coming up with reasons for why Floyd "cherrypicked" him. GTFO!!! Floyd WALKED his bigazz down!!!

COTTO was old, and shot, but that was the best opponent he could fight at the time. He was the only opponent that was really damaged, and past prime.

The ONLY people who predicted that Floyd would dominate Ghost, where people who based their fight predictions on hype. I base my predictions off of the fighter's last few fights. The Floyd who fought Shane, Cotto, and Ortiz, would not have the movement to beat a taller bigger man. People thought it was going to be an inside fight with Floyd countering inside. NO ONE expected Floyd to dominate him like the way he did. And Ghost hits HARD at ww. He deserved a 3rd round stoppage over Berto. Berto may never be the same after he got dragged, tagged, and dropped by Ghost.

And I dont care what the uneducated fans think, when they dont know boxing. Billy C who HATES Floyd even predicted that Floyd would lose, based off the fight Math.

Ghost did struggle against a puncher in Aidyn, but after that fight, Ghost had increased in size, durability, and aggression. I remember telling people that he was on roids.

And just like you say, "Well look at the Aidyn fight" I respond saying, "Well look at the Cotto fight" Cotto is short, slow, shot. Floyd looked HORRIBLE against him. Ghost is tall, in his prime, volume swarmer. I KNOW my boxing. I was on here arguing that Ghost would beat Floyd. NONE of us knew that Floyd was going to be fighting like he was at 130 again!!

And Ghost isnt slower than Cotto who is shot, AND slow. I said this prior. Ghost isnt a combination puncher. He is a SWARMER. Perfect to beat Floyd. A swarmer's punches are so close together, that its hard for you to avoid them all. You get clipped. And yea Ghost got hit against Berto(A fight you dont want to mention) But at WW, Ghost was so big and huge, that it only made him a better brawler. When Ghost is brawling, he was PERFECT for the Floyd who fought Cotto, Ortiz, and Shane. But we have to remember. He's not even a brawler at heart. He's a tactical COUNTERPUNCHER. He's so much taller than Floyd, his height, and reach advantage, is PERFECT for a short guy like Floyd.

You dont know boxing, I do. I dont base anything on hype. I base it on fight math, and STYLES. The ONLY bad opponent Floyd has had, is Cotto! He was shot.

Me and Bushbaby BOTH agreed that Ghost is more complete than Canelo. Canelo is big, and a good boxer. But he doesnt know how to use his size and power advantage to make it physical. He's a one trick pony like Nonito who doesnt know how to be physical with fighters who are faster than him. So they get outboxed. Ghost can box AND brawl, AND be wreckless.

But once Floyd beat him, Bush changed his mind about everything and said that Canelo was better. Canelo is a bum. He's only credible because of his power.

[RightStraight]

Ortiz was, if Cotto isn't being considered a threat though. That's crazy. If you wanna say pre-fight Cotto then fine I can MAYBE see where you're coming from about it even though he avenged his first loss in dramatic fashion.

but if we're talking during the fight Cotto vs Mayweather. Stop it, he was a complete threat and you know it. Cotto's problem isn't that hes shot or old or beat up or has been or washed up. You're delusional, his problem is himself. He gets in his own way.

Ortiz WAS a legitimate threat, atleast physically he was. Probably the biggest guy Mayweather fought since Corrales or Castillo. Had Ortiz kept his cool, even though he would have lost, it would have been a great fight.

As far as Alvarez goes, he looked fabulous until the Trout fight. Maybe the Trout fight was a fluke and he didn't really train or treat it properly? Who knows which Alvarez is showing up?

[Mr. Fantastico]

Ortiz was, if Cotto isn't being considered a threat though. That's crazy. If you wanna say pre-fight Cotto then fine I can MAYBE see where you're coming from about it even though he avenged his first loss in dramatic fashion.

but if we're talking during the fight Cotto vs Mayweather. Stop it, he was a complete threat and you know it. Cotto's problem isn't that hes shot or old or beat up or has been or washed up. You're delusional, his problem is himself. He gets in his own way.

Ortiz WAS a legitimate threat, atleast physically he was. Probably the biggest guy Mayweather fought since Corrales or Castillo. Had Ortiz kept his cool, even though he would have lost, it would have been a great fight.

As far as Alvarez goes, he looked fabulous until the Trout fight. Maybe the Trout fight was a fluke and he didn't really train or treat it properly? Who knows which Alvarez is showing up?

LOL. That was past prime 30% percent version of cotto who bloodied a well rested, once a year fighter mayweather.

[Kingjames6Flee]

Gotta love these so called boxing fans. When floyd fights someone it's a cherry pick or he's ducking someone but if PAC fights the same guy after floyd beats him its a great win. When floyd koed hatton it was nothing but when PAC did everyone was in awe. When floyd beat shane he supposedly fought shane out of his prime but when PAC fights him it was a great win. Same with odlh. Lmao as far as I'm concerned if Floyd's a ducker and cherry picker then so is PAC.

[Ezzard Charles]

if you step in the ring with world champions/ former world champions.... it only takes one punch to change a fight.....

floyd's the greatest, now get off his nutsack.

[Ezzard Charles]

mosley hurt floyd more than any opponent in recent years.... shane was coming off his best victory and performance in years.... so if that was a cherry picked fight, guess what? it still almost went belly up in round 2.....

and that's the point.... everyone's a threat at floyd's level.

[Mr. Fantastico]

Gotta love these so called boxing fans. When floyd fights someone it's a cherry pick or he's ducking someone but if PAC fights the same guy after floyd beats him its a great win. When floyd koed hatton it was nothing but when PAC did everyone was in awe. When floyd beat shane he supposedly fought shane out of his prime but when PAC fights him it was a great win. Same with odlh. Lmao as far as I'm concerned if Floyd's a ducker and cherry picker then so is PAC.

who said mosley fight was a great win?

Mosley was old in both fights and doesnt really put a dent in their legacy.

[PhooLzRUs]

according to boxingscene users, contrary to popular beliefs mayweather has in fact never fought anyone who was a legitimate threat. ever.