Mikey Garcia is pound 4 pound

[Bermuda]

no...he has nice skill, but he has yet to prove it against really top quality opposition. if he moves up to 130 and beats gamboa and uchiyama, etc. then yes i think he has a better claim at being considered top ten p4p.

[MikeRo1972]

P4P is about all things being equal (weight/reach/height) who would he beat or lose to. It has nothing to do with resume . Comparing resumes and total wins is how you compile a division's rankings. P4P is about how you look relative to your opponents and how that would translate in other weight classes.

Mikey is right on the cusp of getting into the top 10 but it has nothing to do with needing better opponents or quality wins. It's more so about the guys in front of him on that list and how skilled they are.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

He's on my Quitters P4P list.


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[black.ink]

Based on?

I thought p4p was generally a guide on accomplishments, and who you beat to EARN recognition?

Skill alone doesn't make you p4p. Mikey has the all the tools to get there, but if beating Salido and JuanMa (while failing at the scales in the latter) gets you there, then i'll be damned.

Right now? No. Can he be? Easily. Just fight in the right weight class.

[black.ink]

P4P is about all things being equal (weight/reach/height) who would he beat or lose to. It has nothing to do with resume . Comparing resumes and total wins is how you compile a division's rankings. P4P is about how you look relative to your opponents and how that would translate in other weight classes.

Mikey is right on the cusp of getting into the top 10 but it has nothing to do with needing better opponents or quality wins. It's more so about the guys in front of him on that list and how skilled they are.

So looking world class against bums is good enough for p4p? Nothing to do with resume?

I'm not talking about Mikey (who incidentally didn't make weight, as you like fighters equal), as my thoughts on him are somewhere above, but your reasonings on p4p is garbage.

[-Johannes-]

Nah not really, I like him a lot and I tend to be biased with fighters of Mickey's style but he has one good win over Salido (where he should've continued, the fight was getting better). In retrospective, Juanma should've declined the fight. Garcia coming in at 128 and over 140 was just awful. Add the fact that Salido and Juanma pretty much took everything from each other. Juanma was done. You can't determine that Mickey is like you say at least top 10 with a fight against a shot to shit Juanma.

[MikeRo1972]

So looking world class against bums is good enough for p4p? Nothing to do with resume?

I'm not talking about Mikey (who incidentally didn't make weight, as you like fighters equal), as my thoughts on him are somewhere above, but your reasonings on p4p is garbage.

That's what P4P means. There's a general misconception here on NSB that it has to do predominantly with resume and it really doesn't. One can make an argument that Mikey wouldn't look this good versus a higher caliber opponent (and that's true). But what you gauge in a P4P argument is skill and talent. Not number of quality wins. It's like Broner, that douche bag is obviously gifted in a way that only comes along generationally but people here on NSB ignore the obvious skillet and talent and harp on his opponent's class to make the argument that he doesn't belong on the p4p list. If you want to talk about 135-147 you can make that argument. But in a p4p discussion that has very little to do with anything.

[MrClutch85]

I been impressed with Mikey G for a while now smart technical boxer with power who patiently picks apart his opponents I think he's top 20 P4P material now

[MikeRo1972]

Based on?

I thought p4p was generally a guide on accomplishments, and who you beat to EARN recognition?

That's the textbook definition of divisional ranking. P4P means all measurables being equal, who's better.

[HanzGruber]

This is. A Joke right. He's being cAnelo broner and Bradley by far. Juanma was a damn zombie in there