Early 20th Century fighters get too much credit....

[Killa Killa]

I'm not speaking of all of them...

Yes, there were some all-time greats, but people give boxers of that era too much credit in my opinion.....

Take for instance a guy like Jack Dempsey....there's no way anyone can convince me that a guy like Wladimir Klitschko wouldn't knock him unconscious....he was a light heavyweight....the fact that he was considered an all time great goes to show that the competition either wasn't very deep or he was just that good for his time...

There were a lot of part-time fighters who were considered good or great during those times as well....

We have guys now days who are fully dedicated modern marvels from an athletic standpoint...

I would match and pick many modern day fighters against the old school fighters and I think some of the modern day guys would do their thing....

People tend to follow what media people and writers say and take it as the gospel...

I can speak for myself in that I've seen the modern day fighters and I wasn't there during the early 1900's, so I can't legitimately say that a fighter back then would destroy a fighter from this era.....

[SouthPawHitman]

I don't think anybody is saying Jack Dempsey would KO Wladimir.

[ßringer]

You're preaching to the choir, brah.

It's like all of these over 30 geriatrics on this site owned stock in Joe Louis's beanbag or something. They fail to realize that modern athletes are basically genetically engineered supermen who were born and bred in a labratory setting to be superior to their earlier counterparts. If guys like Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, or Harry Greb were around nowadays they probably wouldn't even be able to capture an interim title in their division.

I don't recall ever having seen that pansy Ezzard Charles ever shoulder rolling a punch like Money May, or that limp wristed **** Bob Fitzsimmons ever rapping himself to the ring like Broner. Because old school fighters had no swag. They were basically straight up and down robotic brawlers who'd be exposed in the modern era against the athleticism of modern our modern mutants.

[AztecWanker]

I don't think anybody is saying Jack Dempsey would KO Wladimir.

There are plenty of jackasses that believe this. Go to the History forum sometime.

[Killa Killa]

You're preaching to the choir, brah.

It's like all of these over 30 geriatrics on this site owned stock in Joe Louis's beanbag or something. They fail to realize that modern athletes are basically genetically engineered supermen who were born and bred in a labratory setting to be superior to their earlier counterparts. If guys like Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, or Harry Greb were around nowadays they probably wouldn't even be able to capture an interim title in their division.

I don't recall ever having seen that pansy Ezzard Charles ever shoulder rolling a punch like Money May, or that limp wristed **** Bob Fitzsimmons ever rapping himself to the ring like Broner. Because old school fighters had no swag. They were basically straight up and down robotic brawlers who'd be exposed in the modern era against the athleticism of modern our modern mutants.

Funny...

Some of those guys are one of a kind....

I'd pick quite a few fighters over Bob Fitzsimmons....you weren't there so you can't judge his competition as being way better than competition from the last 20-30 years....seriously...

But...why is it that boxing is the only sport where fans will pretty much pick a fighter from the older generation to beat a modern day fighter every time....??



I mean really....

[Mike D]

Obviously times have changed, but those dudes were pioneers of the sport, thus the mad love and props they get (and deserve). And also, they were the best of THEIR era. I think it's unfair to compare eras. Modern day athletes have access to so much more than them...infinitely more it seems.

[Killa Killa]

Obviously times have changed, but those dudes were pioneers of the sport, thus the mad love and props they get (and deserve). And also, they were the best of THEIR era. I think it's unfair to compare eras. Modern day athletes have access to so much more than them...infinitely more it seems.

Hey. I'm not knocking them or anything of that nature and you're right, modern day athletes have access to things they didn't back then....

I'm just speaking from the standpoint that people tend to not give a modern day fighter much of any chance when comparing to the older fighters....especially those that there is barely any video or anything of that nature on....

For instance....you could put Lebron James in any era and he would dominate....you could put Adrian Peterson in any era, Lionel Messi....

Only in boxing does noone from the modern era have a chance against older competition....

[Mike D]

Hey. I'm not knocking them or anything of that nature and you're right, modern day athletes have access to things they didn't back then....

I'm just speaking from the standpoint that people tend to not give a modern day fighter much of any chance when comparing to the older fighters....especially those that there is barely any video or anything of that nature on....

For instance....you could put Lebron James in any era and he would dominate....you could put Adrian Peterson in any era, Lionel Messi....

Only in boxing does noone from the modern era have a chance against older competition....

Yeah, true. I see what you're saying. Boxing fans (especially the older ones) do tend to put a mythical status on some of the fighters from way back then.

[ßringer]

But...why is it that boxing is the only sport where fans will pretty much pick a fighter from the older generation to beat a modern day fighter every time....??



I mean really....

Probably because they earned that right by fighting more than twice a year, and they did so in an era without all of these bull**** alphabet titles, 'super this' and 'junior that' weightclasses, promotional rivalries, multi-million dollar paydays, and fighters avoiding one another because their opponet was a "high risk, low reward" type.

Modern fighters have it easier than any other fighters in history ever had it, yet you're in here pissing and moaning about how they get treated unfairly in comparison to guys who literally fought every few weeks just to make enough money to ensure that their children didn't starve to death.

GTFO.

[AntonTheMeh]

some of you guys are just as bad as those golden agers. you look at things in a vacuum assuming that the further along in time we get the better something is. things change. at times they're for the better some times for the worst.

when jack dempsey beat jess willard's 6'6 and a half 245 pound ass he was 6 feet tall and weighed 180 pounds. that was seen as a tall task for dempsey then. wlad is about willard's size at the time of the dempsey fight. wald's had alot more schooling and training then willard or goddamn carnera ever had. there in lies the difference. apart from the miscellaneous changes that the sport has had over the century.


today, dempsey would be a light heavy. and if he were alive today, in his prime I'd bet good money that he'd be the **** out of andre ward.