How many of you think that Angulo quit

[BostonGuy]

Having established that this is an instance of a "quit" is it then excusable?

[The Big Dunn]

Agreed, it is undoubtedly the least forgiving sport. However, when the reason for quitting given is a pain tolerance factor, i.e. "it hurts too much, So Im done" I hate to say it is, but that is quitting. I honestly believe if Miguel Cotto caused the same exact injury/pain on Antonio Margarito, he would not of quit. I believe there's a difference betweem not physically being able to continue, such as a broken leg.... or not wanting to continue because of intense pain. You can't walk on a broken leg no matter how much you want to, you can however fight through pain. We are not all created equal and some of us can handle different tolerance. You aren't a ****** person, so I know you get what im saying.



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I agree with the pain tolerance. But there are also degrees of "broken" that compromises ones pain tolerance. LT played on a broken leg, but we both know it wasn't broken like the kid from Louisville.

Every broken jaw or broken orbital bone isn't the same. WHile you didn't say this specifically your posts suggests it. Other fighters may have gone on but they may also have had a much less severe break. Thats why when it comes to broken bones I wont use quitting.

I would add the opponent as well. If you are fighting paulie or a light hitter you can keep fighting with an injury. But if you are in with a power puncher the same injury is compromised more.

[THE REED]

I agree with the pain tolerance. But there are also degrees of "broken" that compromises ones pain tolerance. LT played on a broken leg, but we both know it wasn't broken like the kid from Louisville.

Every broken jaw or broken orbital bone isn't the same. WHile you didn't say this specifically your posts suggests it. Other fighters may have gone on but they may also have had a much less severe break. Thats why when it comes to broken bones I wont use quitting.

I would add the opponent as well. If you are fighting paulie or a light hitter you can keep fighting with an injury. But if you are in with a power puncher the same injury is compromised more.

I don't argue the fact that not all injuries are the same, this is fairly obvious. I also don't argue, Angulo was definitely in pain. Im just saying there are injuries that physically refrain you from continuing and injuries in which it is a matter of pain tolerance, whatever that pain may be. FFS, Abrahams broken jaw was one of the most ridiculous things Ive seen a fighter fight through... Fought half the damn fight with a broken jaw, and how hard does Miranda punch?

[dan_cov]

He did quit, its a fact but I do think he had a legitimate reason/excuse to.

But when you've got a guy like Jose Gonzalez who is well ahead on the scorecards with a great skillset who seemed easily capable of outboxing Burns with one hand but quits, that is not excusable. In fact all he had to do was run, stay on his feet! Totally inexcusable.
Surely he thought ''I've just gotta stay on my feet for a few more rounds and I get the win, his world title & mega paydays are going to follow''
To me that is a ***** move.

[The Big Dunn]

I don't argue the fact that not all injuries are the same, this is fairly obvious. I also don't argue, Angulo was definitely in pain. Im just saying there are injuries that physically refrain you from continuing and injuries in which it is a matter of pain tolerance, whatever that pain may be. FFS, Abrahams broken jaw was one of the most ridiculous things Ive seen a fighter fight through... Fought half the damn fight with a broken jaw, and how hard does Miranda punch?

Im just saying there are injuries that physically refrain you from continuing and injuries in which it is a matter of pain tolerance, whatever that pain may be

We agree. IMO Angulo's prevented him from continuing given his style of fighting. JUst don't know how he could continue unless he suddenly began boxing and moving on his toes.

[THE REED]

Im just saying there are injuries that physically refrain you from continuing and injuries in which it is a matter of pain tolerance, whatever that pain may be

We agree. IMO Angulo's prevented him from continuing given his style of fighting. JUst don't know how he could continue unless he suddenly began boxing and moving on his toes.

He quit because of the pain, not because of a broken arm which didn't allow him to lift his glove so that he could defend himself, or a broken leg which didn't allow him to stand or move at all.

He quit because of pain. You can say he couldn't see out of that eye, and Id say, how often do fighters fight through that? When it comes to pain tolerance that's what seperates quitting or physically unable to continue.

99% of boxers would quit in AA shoes, and I wouldnt blame any of them. However AA is in that 1% of fighters that will fight through whatever to win the fight. Because there's a difference between a physical inability to continue and pain tolerance.

[!! Shawn]

I don't believe it was just because of the pain. It was psychological as well.

Its unimaginably discouraging to hit a man with everything you have, knock him down, and then have him get up and beat the brakes off you. Now imagine having that happen twice... Your face is starting to break up from the punishment. You have given everything you have already, and you cant imagine there is anything else you can do to get to the man.

Thats what Angulo went through. Every time he touched Lara he payed for it severely.

He had been weakened mentally before the injury. That is why he quit.

[ßringer]

Dumb ****etts is like a broken record on this subject.

Angulo quit. He had reason to, but that doesn't change the fact that he quit. A quit is a quit is a quit. Quit, quit, quit, quit.

There once was a man named Alfredo,
Who fought like the Tijuana Tornado,
Then he got hit, and his eye looked like ****,
And he said to his trainer "I quit."

[dan_cov]

Dumb ****etts is like a broken record on this subject.

Angulo quit. He had reason to, but that doesn't change the fact that he quit. A quit is a quit is a quit. Quit, quit, quit, quit.

There once was a man named Alfredo,
Who fought like the Tijuana Tornado,
Then he got hit, and his eye looked like ****,
And he said to his trainer "I quit."

Hahahaaa

[The Big Dunn]

He quit because of the pain, not because of a broken arm which didn't allow him to lift his glove so that he could defend himself, or a broken leg which didn't allow him to stand or move at all.

He quit because of pain. You can say he couldn't see out of that eye, and Id say, how often do fighters fight through that? When it comes to pain tolerance that's what seperates quitting or physically unable to continue.

99% of boxers would quit in AA shoes, and I wouldnt blame any of them. However AA is in that 1% of fighters that will fight through whatever to win the fight. Because there's a difference between a physical inability to continue and pain tolerance.

In angulos case his pain tolerance is what allows him to fight the way he does. His pain tolerance was clearly compromised with his injury. He could only win the fight by hunting lara down and taking punches for the chance to land the big shot.

His reaction supports your argument. He basically turned his back. In retrospect he definitely shouldve taken a knee.

Its just hard for me to equate what duran did or what odh did with manny to this.