Comments Thread For: Lara Decked Twice, Stops Angulo in a Shocking Ending

[bojangles1987]

I admire the heart he showed but he's clearly not at the level many on here want us to believe, he's limited, can't fight or defend on the inside, and he doesn't variate his attack, it's the same straight left hand over and over. Where was the body punching, right hook, or counter left uppercut when Angulo came in?

I'm happy for Lara, all the props in the world but just because people are pointing out his limitations does not mean it's hate.

He actually used the right hook a lot last night. That first knockdown came when he tried the uppercut, though, so I'm sure he lost all confidence in it.

[mshap]

Lara showed a lot -- was surprised that from the outset Angulo seemed to be pushing his punches rather than getting much leverage -- Angulo was just too slow and predictable for Lara....

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Originally Posted by Dominicano Soy

I admire the heart he showed but he's clearly not at the level many on here want us to believe, he's limited, can't fight or defend on the inside, and he doesn't variate his attack, it's the same straight left hand over and over. Where was the body punching, right hook, or counter left uppercut when Angulo came in?

I'm happy for Lara, all the props in the world but just because people are pointing out his limitations does not mean it's hate.

It is annoying.

It's as if this site is full of women.

If you don't praise a fighter to the high heavens then you "hate" them or you're a "hater".

Never called you a hater but if the shoe fits.

You seem to wear it well.



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[deejd]

I don't see how you can form that conclusion.

Angulo has shown time and time again that he's not capable of those things.

How many lack luster performances does he need to have to confirm this?

No way is stopping Canelo or Trout. Nor would he beat Molina. I'd doubt he'd beat Kirkland either but it's hard to say considering we don't know where he's at currently.

Lara being caught by Angulo has nothing to do with my opinion of him being overrated, my opinion of him being overrated is his clear lack of dimensions, a non existant inside game and the fact, despite winning clearly IMO at the time of the rightful stoppage, he struggled with a fighter who was slow, limited and dead average at his peak and is certainly worse now.

In regards to Lara being elite, or that being possible, not from what I've seen.

I'd pick Angulo to win each of those by stoppage with the exception of Kirkland, but even that's possible considering how long Kirkland's been off. Canelo has fought one guy that's a natural '54-pounder; Trout. Who's only beat a faded Cotto up to this point in his career. Kirkland-Angulo was a classic. Lara-Angulo was an excellent fight. The problem is guys like Canelo, who are pushed to be the face of '54, give you -- yes, you in particular -- the impression that the talent in the division just isn't that good when it is.

Lara's overrated because he fought a versatile fight, one where he was able to dominate rounds by boxing while also obliging Angulo by brawling with him as well. Hilarious.

[IronDanHamza]

Never called you a hater but if the shoe fits.

You seem to wear it well.



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So you are calling me one, or you aren't? You seem to be saying both things in the same post.

Female tendencies are high.

For the record, I don't hate Lara at all. I think he's a good fighter and one of the best at 154.

He's just not as good as most people seem to think and certainly not elite.

[deejd]

And where exactly in my post does it imply this?

That is exactly my point. And it's even worse now as he's clearly worse after his comeback.

The part where you list out his poor attributes from last night as if they ever existed before his "peak." Everyone on NSB knows that Angulo is looking to KO his opponent. He bring tremendous power to the table. Please, show me a fighter that Lara's fought in the past where even when he's covered up and got hit, they physically moved his whole body with the force of their punches. Lara was able to stand in and brawl with a brawler. It's a shame how before Kirkland, Angulo was some beast, all of a sudden after a fight and layoff, dude is shot to pieces.

[lopez36]

people need to calm down here..lara beat angulo...angulo,not mayweather,lara was supposed to win last night,some here even had him ko'ing angulo in six...even if lara would have won impressively without getting dropped and pressured and hit a lot to the body it's still angulo he beat,angulo is just a name,he's shot,he's beat up,he's slow,he's basically a human punching bag...calm down people,he didn't beat a top 154 pound fighter...some people go to the extremes,there are some posters in here who I think make good points,you can tell by reading they aren't just saying things because they like certain fighters but give their honest opinions,some even calling others who say the truth haters,i'm not a hater of lara,just stating the obvious,he won and that was expected,but he didn't win easily and it was a win against a very limited figher,the same fighter you all said was over the hill when he was considered for canelo,even cotto is already to me kind of on the down side,he lost to trout,lost to mayweather,i can't imagine what you all will say if he beats cotto,,,maybe go as far as calling him the top pound for pound guy..cotto has stamina issues,cuts and bruises easily,he's not the same he was 6 or 7 years ago

[IronDanHamza]

I'd pick Angulo to win each of those by stoppage with the exception of Kirkland, but even that's possible considering how long Kirkland's been off. Canelo has fought one guy that's a natural '54-pounder; Trout. Who's only beat a faded Cotto up to this point in his career. Kirkland-Angulo was a classic. Lara-Angulo was an excellent fight. The problem is guys like Canelo, who are pushed to be the face of '54, give you -- yes, you in particular -- the impression that the talent in the division just isn't that good when it is.

Lara's overrated because he fought a versatile fight, one where he was able to dominate rounds by boxing while also obliging Angulo by brawling with him as well. Hilarious.

You say the talent at 154 is great yet critisize every fighter in the division other than Angulo and Lara

Cotto - Faded
Trout - Beat no one but a faded Cotto
Canelo - unproven because of the above

So do tell, what's so good about this division if this is the case for all these fighters?

Lord help me, if Angulo is the second best fighter at 154 then forgive me for saying the talent pool isn't that good.

As for Lara, he wasn't obliging anything. He didn't stand against the ropes shelling up when Angulo's cement feet caught up with him, he had no choice. Hence, why I think he's overrated.

You're also dreaming if you think Angulo stops everyone at 154. I don't think he'd have an easy night with Ishe Smith.

[lopez36]

The part where you list out his poor attributes from last night as if they ever existed before his "peak." Everyone on NSB knows that Angulo is looking to KO his opponent. He bring tremendous power to the table. Please, show me a fighter that Lara's fought in the past where even when he's covered up and got hit, they physically moved his whole body with the force of their punches. Lara was able to stand in and brawl with a brawler. It's a shame how before Kirkland, Angulo was some beast, all of a sudden after a fight and layoff, dude is shot to pieces.

angulo is shot...this isn't the same figher who beat joel Julio or yorgey,after the Kirkland fight he just went down fast,,look at the way he walks around the ring,look at the way he throws his punches in the first and second rounds,all slow and wide open,he's done,kirkland finished him,this is a guy who lost to cintron,if you lose to that bum you must not be that good...angulo is not a top fighter at 154 anymore,maybe he was years ago,but Kirkland put a stop to that,angulo is a punching bag and nothing more

[deejd]

Well said Iron, I've been saying this for the longest as well, anyone who can't see Lara's limitations ain't looking well enough.

Outside of Mayweather and Rigo (who still hasn't proved he can fight inside, now that I think of it), who isn't limited? Lara had his legs taken away from him twice against Angulo and he still found a way to win. He clearly has punching power, the ability box, and can control the range and/or pace of the fight. But because he doesn't fight inside [or clinch], he's overrated.

Gee, I don't know, if I were Lara, and I knew my opponent hit harder than I did... was a weight class or two bigger than me... and specialized on brawling inside -- I guess I'd grind it out in close quarters. That's logical.