Comments Thread For: Nacho: Canelo Has The Tools To Defeat Mayweather

[J The UnBiased]

Your the type of forum poster who no matter who Mayweather fights or beats will always have an excuse.SMH before Guerrero every one said why don't he step up and fight canelo, now that he is all of a sudden it's another "CHERRY PICK"? C'mon man LMAO! Smh

can you read?

[Welter_Skelter]

No one expected Guerrero to take it to Berto like that, certainly a lot didn't expect Guerrero to outright shell up against Mayweather.

Do you even know Canelo's gameplan? It was a lot different for Trout than it was for Lopez and Hatton.

At some point you are going to have to accept my opinion exists and there is nothing you can do about it.
I will offer you that I do not come to my conclusions lightly. I have thought hard and considered many angles and possibilities.
I am not a subjective fanboy .. I am not so insecure that I need to convert others to my perceptions as a source of my own validation.
I don't care if you disagree or insist I am wrong.. I can live with both.

[J The UnBiased]

I've giving Alvarez a great chance to win. In fact I think he will win. He will hurt Mayweather in this fight more than Mayweather will hurt him. People are picking Mayweather by rote and habit. Making the same old tired arguments they always do. Mayweather will dominate and probably stop etc.

Mayweather is getting older and this is the first true non-cherry picked and riskiest contender he will have faced in a decade. It is not going to be the same old tried and true result. Mayweather is in for a tuff go. He must have been coerced in this. I know the masses won't be convinced until they actually see it happen. But this is the fight that Mayweather loses.

Everyone loves to bring up the advantages that his opponents have, no one ever brings up what Floyd does to negate that. September 14th, you will be a disappointed fan.

[thiefery]

if there's one thing good about canelo's game, it's his patience. for his age he already have it in him which is unusual for young fighters. he picks his spot which somewhat makes him unpredictable because you don't know when he unloads his combinations. trout never really figured out canelo despite his busy workrate because canelo stick to his gameplan all throughout the fight.

i'm not sure it that will work against floyd but the combination of size and power advantage (if he's not weight drained) plus his patience and propensity to follow the game plan could make it difficult for floyd.

he is very patient but and that helps during most fights, except he cant get too patient with mayweather.. Floyd will pot shot him and before he knows it the fight is halfway over and hes down 6 rounds.

He needs to bring it.. move side to side and pressure floyd, cut off the ring and make floyd throw punches..

He has to trade with floyd if he wants to win.

[bravestone]

At some point you are going to have to accept my opinion exists and there is nothing you can do about it.
I will offer you that I do not come to my conclusions lightly. I have thought hard and considered many angles and possibilities.
I am not a subjective fanboy .. I am not so insecure that I need to convert others to my perceptions as a source of my own validation.
I don't care if you disagree or insist I am wrong.. I can live with both.

To call it a cherrypick seems quite subjective. Who else would you rather him fight?

Calling Mosley light of foot is quite wrong, that's all I'm saying which leads me to suggest maybe you're perception is a tad skewed.

[keyz3r0]

If you thought about your comment before posting (and if you knew your boxing) you would have realized that :

1. Marquez has never looked good against other technicians.

2. He's smaller, older and slower than Floyd while Canelo is bigger, younger and stronger.

It's not just about the trainer, it's the trainer + fighter combination. Canelo has physical tools that Marquez lacks and technically he's not too shabby either. Nacho is a much better trainer than the guy who currently trains Canelo and if he replaced him he would make Canelo more competitive, it's an obvious statement really.

Not going against anything you said.. but just wondering, what's wrong with Canelo's trainer right now? Canelo hasn't lost a fight yet.. So basically his team must be doing something right, no?

[davidw9785]

It's amazing how many people are overthinking this fight.

Nacho is right about one thing: to win, Canelo will need to throw lots of combinations. Hitting Floyd clean with a good shot is hard even when his back is to the ropes, so Canelo shouldn't come into the fight expecting to land anywhere near 40-50% of his power shots as he has done in past fights. He also shouldn't expect one punch to change the fight. Canelo has good punching power, but he's not a devastating one-punch knockout artist and Floyd has a good chin. If Canelo wants to get to Floyd, take away his legs and set up a KO, he's going to have to maintain constant pressure from round 1 and throw a lot of punches, especially to Floyd's body.

The question: what evidence is there that Canelo can pull this off? In the Trout fight, Canelo averaged just ~35 total punches per round. As for the jab, he threw less than 20 jabs in 8 of the 12 rounds. Canelo floored Trout in the 7th, but despite his low punch output, he was already visibly winded by the 6th and found himself unable to follow up on the knockdown. Canelo may have won the Trout fight because Trout wasn't able to land many effective punches of his own, but it was hardly a "spectacular" display by an "offensive" fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

If the key to Canelo defeating Mayweather is an aggressive, sustained offense, there's little evidence that Canelo has the style or stamina to give Floyd a run for his money. In fact, a fighter with a history of being able to maintain a high punch output for 12 rounds - Robert Guerrero - had a much better capacity to fight the type of fight needed to beat Mayweather. And we saw what how easily Floyd took away all of Guerrero's weapons and neutralized the bully strategy Guerrero wanted to use.

Nice man, that's some solid analysis. A very good point

[SaldanaCC]

Can canelo win of course.... will canelo win of course NOT!!!
Floyd has seen speed he has seen youth he has seen streangth an always figures fighters out early and is able to adjust an dominate.
If canelo is gunna be landing all the combos and jabs that means he better go for the k.o real early cuz we all know what happens past round six or seven he starts slowin down an he usually has the fight on the cards by then so he can do so but not against floyd hes gunna need to b petal to the floor every second of every round and i dont think he can pull that off against floyd.

[radioraheem]

You can improve your cardio significantly in 4 months, but Canelo isn't going to come in with the conditioning of an endurance athlete by September. He simply doesn't have the body for it (it appears he's naturally stocky/stout), and even if you assume that Canelo can cut to 152 without draining himself too much, the human body is not designed for 15-20 pound weight fluctuations in a short period of time. Even though you have fighters doing it and looking great physically, these weight fluctuations are simply not conducive to proper conditioning.

Wow, I'm amazed somewhere here actually just said that! A lot of people don't understand that these fighters gaining and dropping so much weight is NOT HEALTHY.

[BoxingAddict773]

Around we go..

Mayweather has clearly established that the come forward/boxer/puncher is not the style that can beat him.
How many more of these type of guys does FM need to beat before people get it?
It's another cherry pick.

Let's look at a few guys who actually troubled Floyd.. Even if just for a few rounds.

Judah
Mosley
Burton (Agustus)

Not boxer/punchers.. But rather, quick handed..Light on their feet.. Finesse style fighters.
Guys with similar attributes to Floyd's.

Judah couldn't match Floyd for ring intelligence. It's fun to think about a Judah with more emotional control and higher ring savvy.

Mosley was too old.. Mosley at 135 would have given Floyd his toughest ever fight.

Burton.. Is well.. Burton. Never had a chance.

Canelo has a punchers chance.. If he can do what Castillo and Cotto did but only actually hurt Floyd.. Then maybe we have a fight..
Otherwise Floyd will cruise like he always does against these kinds of guys.

For some reason people dont notice this. Ive said this all the time, Judah is the only fighter to ever outbox floyd for an entire round