Is Bob Arum and Top Rank responsible for Floyd's resume or is it b/s?

[ADP02]

Ya sure Floyds resumes **** because he didnt fight Margarito lmao. Even though the last 2 guys that knocked Margarito out were shot. And Floyd beat them too. Or were Mosley and Cotto only shot because Floyd fought them? I remember all the Trout d1ck licking after he beat Cotto.

Are you new to the sport?

Ali lost to Frazier.
Ali lost to Norton
Frazier lost to Foreman.
Norton lost to Foreman.
Ali beat Foreman.

BUT they all rematched and engaged in further wars instead of making silly arguments like you just did. If everyone used your logic, the above fights that I just mentioned, wouldn't have all taken place because Ali had lost to the guy that got creamed by Foreman.

Same with Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, ..... they all fought in wars ..... someone has to lose but Floyd preferred to go on a long vacation.

So either your hero Floyd fights these fighters when it counts and gets credit or as Floyd did, fights them AFTER they had been in wars or AFTER they are clearly out of their prime or BEFORE they are ready for prime time.

[4Corners]

Floyd tried to fight Mosley and Cotto in 2005-2006, they didn't want any part of it, and Top Rank had absolutely no interest in Floyd-Cotto until after Floyd split from them, and then they tried acting like Floyd ducked him.

The only fighters he hasn't faced that would have added anything to his legacy or resume were Tszyu, Margarito, and Pacquiao. Tszyu was injured when Floyd entered the division and when they were lining up that fight, he lost to Ricky Hatton, who Floyd fought. Margarito could have happened in 2006, and I blame Floyd for not taking this fight. But at the same time, he was targeting bigger fights with Oscar and Shane at the time, and openly said he'd fight Margarito for 8 million, if Bob would give him a guarantee to fight Cotto and Oscar if he wins, and Bob said nope. Also, you have to wonder if that fight was ever happening because the second Floyd split from Arum, they both said there's no way they'll work together at any time in the future. So it is what it is.

And Pacquiao, we all know it was both men and Arum who played roles in it not happening. It could still happen one day, we'll see.

[jaestix1]

fu.ck no!!!!

Cherrypicker cheated JMM on the catchweight and JMM didn't have Memo power pellets yet and looked fat.

Cherrypicker's win over JMM isn't an ATG win for Cherrypicker at all.

jmm gets destroyed again.......jmm said it himself. it's a great win, get over it. jmm beat pac to prove he was a credible ww.

[ADP02]

Floyd tried to fight Mosley and Cotto in 2005-2006, they didn't want any part of it, and Top Rank had absolutely no interest in Floyd-Cotto until after Floyd split from them, and then they tried acting like Floyd ducked him.

The only fighters he hasn't faced that would have added anything to his legacy or resume were Tszyu, Margarito, and Pacquiao. Tszyu was injured when Floyd entered the division and when they were lining up that fight, he lost to Ricky Hatton, who Floyd fought. Margarito could have happened in 2006, and I blame Floyd for not taking this fight. But at the same time, he was targeting bigger fights with Oscar and Shane at the time, and openly said he'd fight Margarito for 8 million, if Bob would give him a guarantee to fight Cotto and Oscar if he wins, and Bob said nope. Also, you have to wonder if that fight was ever happening because the second Floyd split from Arum, they both said there's no way they'll work together at any time in the future. So it is what it is.

And Pacquiao, we all know it was both men and Arum who played roles in it not happening. It could still happen one day, we'll see.

Floyd trying to get a fight is just talk or its because he knows he has the advantages.

Mosley: If Floyd really wanted Mosley in 2005/2006 then why did Floyd say no every time Mosley asked from 2006 - 2009? There are many videos that state that Floyd didn't want to fight Mosley. So please stop with "Floyd wanted Mosley" because its a myth at best.

Cotto: Cotto was still gaining experience. Prior to the Gatti fight, Arum stated that if there is a guy that may beat Floyd its Cotto BUT NOT NOW because Cotto clearly needs another 1.5 years or so to gain experience but that fight will happen. Floyd then left TR.

Arum: Funny that Floyd seems to be the only one that can't get guys from Arum's stable when he is with TR and when he is not with TR. Everyone else can manage. Crazy, right? Man, even Mosley got a crack at Cotto/Margarito/Manny ....

Williams/Martinez/... They called out Floyd and were ready to come down in weight. Bonus was that they were not with TR. Fights never happened!!! Can't blame Arum on that ....

[JRB123]

Floyd tried to fight Mosley and Cotto in 2005-2006, they didn't want any part of it, and Top Rank had absolutely no interest in Floyd-Cotto until after Floyd split from them, and then they tried acting like Floyd ducked him.

The only fighters he hasn't faced that would have added anything to his legacy or resume were Tszyu, Margarito, and Pacquiao. Tszyu was injured when Floyd entered the division and when they were lining up that fight, he lost to Ricky Hatton, who Floyd fought. Margarito could have happened in 2006, and I blame Floyd for not taking this fight. But at the same time, he was targeting bigger fights with Oscar and Shane at the time, and openly said he'd fight Margarito for 8 million, if Bob would give him a guarantee to fight Cotto and Oscar if he wins, and Bob said nope. Also, you have to wonder if that fight was ever happening because the second Floyd split from Arum, they both said there's no way they'll work together at any time in the future. So it is what it is.

And Pacquiao, we all know it was both men and Arum who played roles in it not happening. It could still happen one day, we'll see.

Floyd tried to get a match with Mosley since he was at 135-140...The only time I didn't buy into it was when he had a choice to fight Shane after his wins against Vargas. Everyone knew Floyd wanted to fight Oscar then so that was irrelevant...

After the Judah fight, Floyd's "services" got taken away from Arum by that + $1...Then that Oscar fight sealed any future business deals with Arum...

Either way, both Floyd and Arum getting paid right now

[JRB123]

Arum: Funny that Floyd seems to be the only one that can't get guys from Arum's stable when he is with TR and when he is not with TR. Everyone else can manage. Crazy, right? Man, even Mosley got a crack at Cotto/Margarito/Manny ....

He is the only guy that has been able to do that. Nobody (especially those that are/were in GBP) can do the same thing...

[ADP02]

jmm gets destroyed again.......jmm said it himself. it's a great win, get over it. jmm beat pac to prove he was a credible ww.

Great win? No
Terrible analogy? Yes!

When Marquez fought Floyd, Marquez had just moved up from 130 to 135. Just to make it clear for you, that is like Floyd who had just fought at 154 against Cotto then moving up to 164 to fight Andre Ward but Ward then enters the ring above the contracted weight at 167. How much credit would you give Ward even though Floyd is #1 P4P?

Also: Styles makes fights. Marquez is better fighting a come forward fighter than another counter puncher. Add Marquez's age ......

[ADP02]

He is the only guy that has been able to do that. Nobody (especially those that are/were in GBP) can do the same thing...

Arum has let his guys fight outside his stable.

Examples:
Chavez Jr fought Sergio Martinez.
Manny fought Mr GB himself ..... Oscar Dela Hoya.

Look I'm not saying that its Arum's first choice to fight out when he has plenty inside his stable BUT all promoters are like that ..... BUT like I said before, Floyd was initially with Arum. So why was it hard for Floyd ONLY?

[Outwest Exp 355]

Are you new to the sport?

Ali lost to Frazier.
Ali lost to Norton
Frazier lost to Foreman.
Norton lost to Foreman.
Ali beat Foreman.

BUT they all rematched and engaged in further wars instead of making silly arguments like you just did. If everyone used your logic, the above fights that I just mentioned, wouldn't have all taken place because Ali had lost to the guy that got creamed by Foreman.

Same with Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, ..... they all fought in wars ..... someone has to lose but Floyd preferred to go on a long vacation.

So either your hero Floyd fights these fighters when it counts and gets credit or as Floyd did, fights them AFTER they had been in wars or AFTER they are clearly out of their prime or BEFORE they are ready for prime time.

Dont ever mention a bum like Margarito in the same sentence with Ali, Frazier, and Foreman ever again. When was Floyd suspodes to fight a prime Mosley? Shane moved up 2 divisions to fight Oscar. So is Floyd suspodes to follow him from 130 to 147?

[JRB123]

Arum has let his guys fight outside his stable.

Examples:
Chavez Jr fought Sergio Martinez.
Manny fought Mr GB himself ..... Oscar Dela Hoya.

Look I'm not saying that its Arum's first choice to fight out when he has plenty inside his stable BUT all promoters are like that ..... BUT like I said before, Floyd was initially with Arum. So why was it hard for Floyd ONLY?

Sorry I didn't fully explain what my aim was...

I'll put it like this. GBP guys and Top Rank guys don't fight each other. This is known.

However, both stables can make matches with any other promotional company (DiBella, Shaw, Don King, etc.)...Sergio vs. little Chavez was TR/DiBella co-promotion and that Manny/Oscar fight was before Manny was completely under Top Rank...

Manny/JMM were under GBP for their first two fights and then that 3rd one didn't come until over three years later...