Tyson Fury would destroy Velazquez in boxing and MMA.

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

Saying that Tyson Fury only needs to learn some "basic wrestling moves" to beat Cain is like saying that Adrian Peterson only needs to learn how to skate on ice to be a top level Hockey player... Tyson can wrestle all he wants, Cain would still pick him up and dunk him on his head.

Not that in the slightest.

You're way off here buddy.

I'm comparing apples and a half orange/apple conglomerate, while you're trying to compare apples to tomatoes.

[dan_cov]

Wasn't K.J Noons hailed as the next big thing?
One punch k.o'd by a crackhead who learned to fight on the Street and had zero experience in MMA

Couldn't make it as a kickboxer, a boxer or an MMA fighter yet managed to beat several top P4P MMA fighters, laughable.

[Left2theliver]

Wasn't K.J Noons hailed as the next big thing?
One punch k.o'd by a crackhead who learned to fight on the Street and had zero experience in MMA

Couldn't make it as a kickboxer, a boxer or an MMA fighter yet managed to beat several top P4P MMA fighters, laughable.

Outside his one win over Nick Diaz, who were these "several p4p MMA fighters" that he beat??

[Ro2535]

Boxers aren't equipped or trained to handle MMA rules. That's a simple fact. All an MMA fighter needs to do is take them down and it's game over. Tysons only chance is to land a big punch very early, which he is not going to do against Valesquez. He might have an outside chance against a ****ty MMA fighter but not the current heavyweight champ. Tyson has literately no chance

[Left2theliver]

Not that in the slightest.

You're way off here buddy.

I'm comparing apples and a half orange/apple conglomerate, while you're trying to compare apples to tomatoes.

OKay, soooo all a good kickboxer needs in order to beat a top 3 level boxer is to emphasize their hands and they'll be good? I think you're discrediting how much skill wrestling requires... And for the record, if they tie up, I guarantee you Cain would throw Fury around.

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

Velasquez would throw him on his ass and be his daddy.

You've obviously never wrestled in your life. It'd look like Randy Couture vs Tim Sylvia except Cain's relentless, explosive and a finisher.

And you've quite clearly never laced 'em up.

[dan_cov]

Lmao Street junkie with no training in MMA destroying top MMA fighters and throwing them around like ragdolls

Who cares about his record, this is a junkie of the Street that has gone into MMA and has beat some of the best and absolutely destroyed them in their own sport.
Imagine if he wasn't a smackhead and took MMA seriously rather than the joke it is.

[Mr Ehrmantraut]

OKay, soooo all a good kickboxer needs in order to beat a top 3 level boxer is to emphasize their hands and they'll be good? I think you're discrediting how much skill wrestling requires... And for the record, if they tie up, I guarantee you Cain would throw Fury around.

If you are a natural athletic monster like Vitali Klitschko (former kick boxer) then yes. Same principle applied to another athletic monster Tyson Fury.

[raskat]

You can be 'world class' and a world champion in his backwards 'sport' in a mere 4 fights.

A roided up redneck from the damn WWE went in and became a world champion beating the likes of Heath Herring & a 90yr old Couture lollll

but you seem to forget that Lesnar was a great wrestler before he went to the WWE. So he used his big size and his wrestling skills to take his opponents down and Ground and Pound them.
Wrestling is the basis of MMA, so Lesnar only could do what he did because of his wrestling background (and his size).

[Left2theliver]

Wrestlers, BJJ practitioners, guys with zero background in anything can do well in MMA but an at least bordering world class boxer can't? right.

Junior Dos Santos tore through the whole UFC roster with practically nothing but very basic boxing, being able to gauge distance. Most of these guys knew they'd get wrecked standing but they couldn't shoot because he controlled the distance with his jab & footwork.

The reality is if Fury learned how to sprawl he'd wreck any MMA chump and whats to say a boxer can't land? Or he doesn't time a kick/knee?

The reason these guys get taken down is because of their stance. Say what you like but you'll never see me getting double legged by a guy who shoots from a mile away.

Do you know how many wrestlers including a NCAA division champion I've seen unable to take a complete novice down let alone keep them there? I seen a novice under/over Jeff Monson & have him on his back ffs
Its because they don't know submission defense, they don't have to pace themselves etc etc

The reality is any clown can do MMA and they like to convince themselves its just like Street fighting and it makes 'em 'ard. Two bit, undisciplined bully boys only fit for picking on the weak for most part.

Did you not see a fat, 40yr old Mayorga who has virtually zero MMA training at the weekend who didn't even train for the fight? He more than held his own even on the ground he wasn't out of his depth but it wouldn't matter who he beat MMgAy fanboys would only say the MMA fighter was a bum anyway.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the guy Mayorga fought was a top level fighter. You DO realize how much of a difference knowing HOW to shoot a takedown and just shooting a takedown is right? JDS didn't just walk into a boxing gym and come out then smash everyone, he was a well accomplished Jiu Jitsu guy before even learning to throw a punch. MMA is a sport build around the grappling arts. You're whole "durr durr durr all you need to know is a sprawl" argument is ridiculous, most these fighters you see having that kind of sprawl are WRESTLERS. I've seen professional boxers come and go in the gym and get tossed around by little white belts. No one said Fury can't land, the man has power, we give that. But that's all he's got.