Why do people who say the heavyweight division is awful post about it so much?

[The Hammer]

It's not the lack of talent, it's the lack of promotion and match making to bring the talent out.

I agree. With most of the better heavyweights, the promoters are not making the matchups they should.

Too many fighters are over-protected and fighting only soft opposition - they need to start fighting each other to earn their title shots.

[Jloro]

This seems rather strange to me.

If I thought a division was in bad shape - for example super featherweight right now - I'd have little interest in it and rarely post about it.

Yet the people who repeatedly say the heavyweight division is awful post about it more than any other division!

I don't care for it too much. I don't think I have posted about it Lol. Same with most lower weight classes


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[techliam]

Why do you post about Haye so much if you don't like him?

Exactly the same thing

Stop being a hypocrite as per usual

[The Big Dunn]

I agree. With most of the better heavyweights, the promoters are not making the matchups they should.

Too many fighters are over-protected and fighting only soft opposition - they need to start fighting each other to earn their title shots.

I'm surprised you posted this. In threads related to floyd you call this waiting for the other guys to beat each other up and get weak. In this thread you advocate this and call it earning the title fight.

[The Hammer]

I'm surprised you posted this. In threads related to floyd you call this waiting for the other guys to beat each other up and get weak. In this thread you advocate this and call it earning the title fight.

It's two very different situations.

After Mosley beat a top ten contender in Collazo, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him. After Cotto defeated a top ten contender in Judah, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him. After Williams defeated a top ten welterweight in Margarito, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him.

While Floyd avoided the top prime welterweights and waited until fighters like Cotto and Mosley were faded, Wlad has fought the best prime top ten HWs like Chagaev, Chambers, Brock, Ibragimov, Haye, etc.

But the heavyweight division is improving, it looks like there may be some interesting matchups in the works, such as Pulev-Fury. Wlad should fight the winner of that fight.

[The Big Dunn]

It's two very different situations.

After Mosley beat a top ten contender in Collazo, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him. After Cotto defeated a top ten contender in Judah, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him. After Williams defeated a top ten welterweight in Margarito, Floyd should have fought him but avoided him.

While Floyd avoided the top prime welterweights and waited until fighters like Cotto and Mosley were faded, Wlad has fought the best prime top ten HWs like Chagaev, Chambers, Brock, Ibragimov, Haye, etc.

But the heavyweight division is improving, it looks like there may be some interesting matchups in the works, such as Pulev-Fury. Wlad should fight the winner of that fight.

Mosley and cotto turned the floyd fight down same as povetkin has turned the wlad fight down. So the situations are very similar. Floyd wasn't money may then so all he could do is ask.

Maybe he should of fought paul williams. But the same thing you just said about wlad happened here-pwill fought quintana and lost.

No situations are exactly alike. But I was surprised to read what you posted given the criticism of floyd for essentially doing at ww what you want to happen with the hwts-contenders fight to create a big fight for the champ/money guyn especially at a time when the division is improving or, to use another term, heating up.

[The Hammer]

Maybe he should of fought paul williams. But the same thing you just said about wlad happened here-pwill fought quintana and lost.

Williams destroyed Quintana in the rematch.

Floyd avoided Williams during 2007-2009, as well as Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito. Wladimir fought the best in his division in their primes (such as Peter, Brock, Haye, Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov).

More recently however, because the heavyweights avoid each other, Wlad had to fight people like Wach who have never fought a top ten contender. If Wach had fought Pianeta, Wlad vs. the winner would be a bigger fight than Wlad-Wach or Wlad-Pianeta.

I'd just like to see the contenders at heavyweight become better established (like Williams, Mosley, Cotto and Margarito were established at welterweight during 2007-2009).

[Ringlife]

Your two options ****** to be honest. I didn't even vote not legit options at all. The klits are boring Wlad vs Haye was so boring of a fight the beginning of the show was more exciting then the actual fight it self. Vitaly agains't Arroela was an okay fight because Arroela made Vitaly fight a smart fight. Arroela agains't Adamik was an exciting fight for a HW fight. The HW division is not what it use to be. Not a lot of good fighters in the division right now


People probably post about how the HW division sucks because it does suck. If I am going to show one of friends a fight for him to get into boxing. I am not going to show him a HW fight unless it's a classic like back in the day. The question is way the hell do you make so many HW threads. I think your stuck in the early nineties man. When the HW division was on top it's not now though. Maybe people bash your threads so you stop making boring HW threads all the time you asked I answered.

[The Big Dunn]

Williams destroyed Quintana in the rematch.

Floyd avoided Williams during 2007-2009, as well as Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito. Wladimir fought the best in his division in their primes (such as Peter, Brock, Haye, Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov).

More recently however, because the heavyweights avoid each other, Wlad had to fight people like Wach who have never fought a top ten contender. If Wach had fought Pianeta, Wlad vs. the winner would be a bigger fight than Wlad-Wach or Wlad-Pianeta.

I'd just like to see the contenders at heavyweight become better established (like Williams, Mosley, Cotto and Margarito were established at welterweight during 2007-2009).

Following ur thesis-margs and pwil fought to establish the same thing you are asking the hwt contenders to do.

If aerrola loses and povetkin loses then they are that far removed from a title shot. You surely wouldn't accept wlad aerola should he lose right?

But were too far off the discussion. You are advocating wlad do the same thing that you criticize other fighters for doing.

[The Hammer]

Following ur thesis-margs and pwil fought to establish the same thing you are asking the hwt contenders to do.

If aerrola loses and povetkin loses then they are that far removed from a title shot. You surely wouldn't accept wlad aerola should he lose right?

But were too far off the discussion. You are advocating wlad do the same thing that you criticize other fighters for doing.

No, I'm advocating Wlad do as he's always done: fight the best opponents available.

Wlad and Floyd are opposite extremes: Floyd avoids the best opponents, while Wlad seeks the best possible opponents.