June Options for Golovkin. Who should he fight?

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  • mathed
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    #141
    Originally posted by Light_Speed
    What 11-20 guy should he fight? Drop some names.

    The top 154 lbers won't fight him either. He needs to do what Margarito and Williams did, use the fact that he's avoided as a marketing tool. As much I dislike it, the "most avoided man in boxing" title is very appealing to the fans. He needs to milk that.
    Originally posted by mathed
    What about Bursak, Konecny or Ward? I think he beats all three handily but at least they are pretty solid MW's and Ward wants a MW to move up....wonder if he is still up to the idea if Golovkin volunteered?
    Those were just a couple I noticed that don't have fights coming up. Ward wants a fight with Chavez, I'm sure he would see Golovkin as an easy match and accept the fight with Golovkin and I think Golovkin's power would break him down in a bad way.

    My point is that he has options, if the "top" guys at 160 are ducking him, then move up, down or fight slightly lesser ranked middleweight guys in the interim. He has a #3 ranking at mw already and I don't see too many top 20 ranked mw guys on his resume so fighting a guy ranked say 16 at mw isn't going to hurt him at all.

    The guy packs a punch and brings in nothing, so guys don't want to fight him. If he gets a big name on his resume, the reward vs. risk ratio is more appealing to guys so, he'll get the big fights. I don't know why the business side of what is ultimately a business doesn't register with people? It is common sense that a move up would be much easier to secure a big fight because the guys up there perceive themselves to have an advantage. Golovkin has already shown that he can handle and knockout super middle weights. He even spars with light heavyweights and they comment on how strong he is.

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    • HeroBando
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      #142
      Originally posted by mathed
      Those were just a couple I noticed that don't have fights coming up. Ward wants a fight with Chavez, I'm sure he would see Golovkin as an easy match and accept the fight with Golovkin and I think Golovkin's power would break him down in a bad way.

      My point is that he has options, if the "top" guys at 160 are ducking him, then move up, down or fight slightly lesser ranked middleweight guys in the interim. He has a #3 ranking at mw already and I don't see too many top 20 ranked mw guys on his resume so fighting a guy ranked say 16 at mw isn't going to hurt him at all.

      The guy packs a punch and brings in nothing, so guys don't want to fight him. If he gets a big name on his resume, the reward vs. risk ratio is more appealing to guys so, he'll get the big fights. I don't know why the business side of what is ultimately a business doesn't register with people? It is common sense that a move up would be much easier to secure a big fight because the guys up there perceive themselves to have an advantage. Golovkin has already shown that he can handle and knockout super middle weights. He even spars with light heavyweights and they comment on how strong he is.
      With guys ranked 15-20 it's entirely up to HBO. You saw they rejected Vera earlier. I'll bet they'd veto Bursak and such.

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      • Russian Crushin
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        #143
        Originally posted by mathed
        Those were just a couple I noticed that don't have fights coming up. Ward wants a fight with Chavez, I'm sure he would see Golovkin as an easy match and accept the fight with Golovkin and I think Golovkin's power would break him down in a bad way.
        Ward is injured and out until at least early fall, why are you still putting his name?

        The guy packs a punch and brings in nothing, so guys don't want to fight him. If he gets a big name on his resume, the reward vs. risk ratio is more appealing to guys so, he'll get the big fights. I don't know why the business side of what is ultimately a business doesn't register with people? It is common sense that a move up would be much easier to secure a big fight because the guys up there perceive themselves to have an advantage. Golovkin has already shown that he can handle and knockout super middle weights. He even spars with light heavyweights and they comment on how strong he is.
        What does Murray bring for Sergio
        What does Guerrero bring in for Quillin
        WHat did that scrub bring in for Rubio
        WHat did Alcine bring in for Macklin
        What did Soloiman bring in for Sturm

        Golovkin would bring in way more money on a HBO headliner with a title, thats the "business side of it"
        Last edited by Russian Crushin; 04-01-2013, 11:07 PM.

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        • Weebler I
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          #144
          Originally posted by mathed
          It is common sense that a move up would be much easier to secure a big fight because the guys up there perceive themselves to have an advantage.
          Most of the top SMWs already have fights lined up for the Summer. Sakio Bika is one of the only fighters in the SMW top 10 I can see taking on Golovkin.

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          • Light_Speed
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            #145
            Originally posted by mathed
            Those were just a couple I noticed that don't have fights coming up. Ward wants a fight with Chavez, I'm sure he would see Golovkin as an easy match and accept the fight with Golovkin and I think Golovkin's power would break him down in a bad way.

            My point is that he has options, if the "top" guys at 160 are ducking him, then move up, down or fight slightly lesser ranked middleweight guys in the interim. He has a #3 ranking at mw already and I don't see too many top 20 ranked mw guys on his resume so fighting a guy ranked say 16 at mw isn't going to hurt him at all.

            The guy packs a punch and brings in nothing, so guys don't want to fight him. If he gets a big name on his resume, the reward vs. risk ratio is more appealing to guys so, he'll get the big fights. I don't know why the business side of what is ultimately a business doesn't register with people? It is common sense that a move up would be much easier to secure a big fight because the guys up there perceive themselves to have an advantage. Golovkin has already shown that he can handle and knockout super middle weights. He even spars with light heavyweights and they comment on how strong he is.
            You think HBO would approve Bursak or Kocnecy? Why would Ward fight GGG when he can fight more lucrative and more accomplished fighters? That fight doesn't make sense for anybody. Same thing if he moves down, the top 154 lbers won't fight him and I don't think he'll be healthy at the weight. Bottomline, his options are VERY limited right now.

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            • B-Bomber
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              #146
              I'd like to see him against Chavez jr.

              While I'd favor him against Martinez at this time, I think Chavez jr might be more problematic.

              I know it sounds weird, but in my opinion Martinez would suffer against Golovkin, who is way better at applying pressure and at cutting off the ring than Chavez Jr, as well as being more well rounded.
              Also, Martinez is 37 and coming off knee surgery.


              On the other hand, Chavez jr is a big dude with a very solid chin, getting into a brawl might favor him.
              Golovkin has surely looked impressive, but his most relevant win so far is Proska. It's not like he's knockned out Hearns or Hagler.

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                #147
                Originally posted by B-Bomber
                I'd like to see him against Chavez jr.

                While I'd favor him against Martinez at this time, I think Chavez jr might be more problematic.

                I know it sounds weird, but in my opinion Martinez would suffer against Golovkin, who is way better at applying pressure and at cutting off the ring than Chavez Jr, as well as being more well rounded.
                Also, Martinez is 37 and coming off knee surgery.


                On the other hand, Chavez jr is a big dude with a very solid chin, getting into a brawl might favor him.
                Golovkin has surely looked impressive, but his most relevant win so far is Proska. It's not like he's knockned out Hearns or Hagler.
                The only 2 guys Chavez was able to run over with his size are Lee and Manfredo. He hit Zbik a lot, but couldn't drop him once. Then Sturm stopped Zbik with his jab only. Go back a little, and Lyell, Duddy and Rowland are going the distance and giving him issues (minus Duddy). And he was still much bigger, he had 15lbs on Zbik.

                So he's gotten tremendous mileage out of a hail mary KD of tired SM after 11 shutout rounds, and Andy Lee. Even without the frailty Lee wasn't top ten, see his struggle with feather fisted McEwen. He didn't even look Euro level in his last fight, but I'm sure much of that is after effects of Chavez.

                But I agree Chavez is a lot more proven than GGG, proven not very good except for the chin.

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                  #148
                  Originally posted by HeroBando
                  The only 2 guys Chavez was able to run over with his size are Lee and Manfredo. He hit Zbik a lot, but couldn't drop him once. Then Sturm stopped Zbik with his jab only. Go back a little, and Lyell, Duddy and Rowland are going the distance and giving him issues (minus Duddy). And he was still much bigger, he had 15lbs on Zbik.

                  So he's gotten tremendous mileage out of a hail mary KD of tired SM after 11 shutout rounds, and Andy Lee. Even without the frailty Lee wasn't top ten, see his struggle with feather fisted McEwen. He didn't even look Euro level in his last fight, but I'm sure much of that is after effects of Chavez.

                  But I agree Chavez is a lot more proven than GGG, proven not very good except for the chin.
                  I was picking Jr's power to stop Golovkin, but you've almost convinced me otherwise.

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                  • chav
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                    #149
                    I haven't read it all but I did see a couple of Floyd and Martinez fans say GGG needs to move up and stop facing scrubs and face competition that can actually challenge him.
                    The irony there is brilliant. Maybe GGG should go up to 168 and cherry pick, if that's the stuff that impresses these days then maybe he should consider it.

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                    • Mikhnienko
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                      #150
                      Originally posted by Light_Speed

                      Getting ready to fight Soliman most likely.
                      Soliman tested positive so Geale's mandatory situation is unresolved and undecided while they test the rest of his samples. Seems like Geale would be available but he's probably more content issuing press releases about how he was unjustly stripped while refusing to fight Golovkin.
                      Last edited by Mikhnienko; 04-02-2013, 05:06 AM.

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