Comments Thread For: Scully on Dawson: “He sort of turned a corner in his life”

[!! Shawn]

So you're saying that even though he had to be at 168 it was wise to just stay way up at 184 until shortly before the fight and then lose it all at the last minute? Cool, makes sense to me. Getting to a lower weight beforehand would be absurd? OK, Got it.

I thought you said he spent the whole camp trying to make weight, now you are saying it was at 184 the whole camp and tried to make weight at the last minute.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I thought you said he spent the whole camp trying to make weight, now you are saying it was at 184 the whole camp and tried to make weight at the last minute.

After all this time, I still don't think you understand...he trained for NINE WEEKS in the Vegas heat with a goal of going from 182 (on July 7) to 168 (on Sept. 7)...what the strength coach did that made him go UP to 184 and then have to go down to 168 (including 7 pounds on the last day), I dont know. In a nutshell, all that running in the Vegas heat, training in it, all the dieting, etc, was for nothing. May as well have trained in Siberia.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

You can't seem to admit that Chad under no circumstances should never have fought at 168 pounds even if YOU could attempt to have him cut weight "your way". There was and is no way Chad could ever make 168 without hurting himself and anybody that says otherwise is just plain ignorant.

Maybe he was 7 pounds overweight the day before the weigh-in because he's, ACTUALLY A LIGHT ****ING HEAVYWEIGHT!?!?!?!

Not exactly rocket science here

Snoop, after reading this post again, I realize what u are saying to ME...obviously it is a thing where he shouldnt have went to 168, GREAT fighters in the past have failed at going down like that too many times...but u need to realize, the fight was set, HE HAD TO DO IT, I didnt have a say in him going down in weight so we had to alter the training (unfortunately) for losing weight instead of the way it was for the Hopkins fights where he could concentrate much more on just his boxing. Clearly he shouldnt have agreed to it but he did and once u agree and sign the contract then it has to be done.

[HeroBando]

Snoop, after reading this post again, I realize what u are saying to ME...obviously it is a thing where he shouldnt have went to 168, GREAT fighters in the past have failed at going down like that too many times...but u need to realize, the fight was set, HE HAD TO DO IT, I didnt have a say in him going down in weight so we had to alter the training (unfortunately) for losing weight instead of the way it was for the Hopkins fights where he could concentrate much more on just his boxing. Clearly he shouldnt have agreed to it but he did and once u agree and sign the contract then it has to be done.

But what made him take that fight at 168 in Oakland, for relative peanuts? I mean I read it was 600k. This is a freaking lineal champ making a huge weight concession and going to p4p opponent's hometown, for half of Berto's purse for Freddy Hernendez.

It's either totally bada$$ or Dawson thought Ward was a punk beating up on slow Euros, no sweat. If that's the case, I guess he deserves what he got. If not, it's sad everyone is ****ting on him for taking such massive risk just to fight the best.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

But what made him take that fight at 168 in Oakland, for relative peanuts? I mean I read it was 600k. This is a freaking lineal champ making a huge weight concession and going to p4p opponent's hometown, for half of Berto's purse for Freddy Hernendez.

It's either totally bada$$ or Dawson thought Ward was a punk beating up on slow Euros, no sweat. If that's the case, I guess he deserves what he got. If not, it's sad everyone is ****ting on him for taking such massive risk just to fight the best.

To be honest, I believe he got more than 600K...the numbers don't add up to me but I know it appears in any event that he didnt get what a fight like that -and with the risk involved- deserves...especially while conceding all these things to the other side. I never get involved with the business end of things with the boxers I train (unless they were to ask) so the fight was done and all I needed to know is when is camp starting and where is it going to be. In hindsight it was a mistake but I can honestly tell you that he didn't do it just for the money, he really believed in himself and that he would win.

[Rockin']

Scully can't control a fighters weight, nobody can if the fighter isn't doing the right things when the trainers not around. I agree with Scully, how could you possibly train in that heat and not drop weight? A trainer can only do so much for a fighter, the rest is entirely up to the fighter......... Rockin'

[snoopymiller]

Snoop, after reading this post again, I realize what u are saying to ME...obviously it is a thing where he shouldnt have went to 168, GREAT fighters in the past have failed at going down like that too many times...but u need to realize, the fight was set, HE HAD TO DO IT, I didnt have a say in him going down in weight so we had to alter the training (unfortunately) for losing weight instead of the way it was for the Hopkins fights where he could concentrate much more on just his boxing. Clearly he shouldnt have agreed to it but he did and once u agree and sign the contract then it has to be done.

I know he had to do it but I'm saying that his body simply couldn't do it any other way.

If he had been 173 pounds 3 weeks out, maybe he has absolutely zero from the first round on as he had been running his body on pure fumes. I'm not saying it's your fault that he lost or that he didn't make the weight without hurting himself. I'm saying that under no circumstances should he have been at 168 at anytime with any trainer or conditioner.

That's like bringing Floyd down to 140 in 2013. It just isn't healthy and would play out in the fight.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I know he had to do it but I'm saying that his body simply couldn't do it any other way.

If he had been 173 pounds 3 weeks out, maybe he has absolutely zero from the first round on as he had been running his body on pure fumes. I'm not saying it's your fault that he lost or that he didn't make the weight without hurting himself. I'm saying that under no circumstances should he have been at 168 at anytime with any trainer or conditioner.

That's like bringing Floyd down to 140 in 2013. It just isn't healthy and would play out in the fight.

OK, I finally get what ur saying (hard to read tone on the internet without hearing ur voice to go with the words) but....AND HERE IS EVERYTHING IN A NUTSHELL AND WHY I AM SO UPSET ABOUT IT ALL...that was done by design! His strength coach was giving him supplements, etc to "build him up"...he told me so...THAT is what caused his weight to stay so high...

[snoopymiller]

OK, I finally get what ur saying (hard to read tone on the internet without hearing ur voice to go with the words) but....AND HERE IS EVERYTHING IN A NUTSHELL AND WHY I AM SO UPSET ABOUT IT ALL...that was done by design! His strength coach was giving him supplements, etc to "build him up"...he told me so...THAT is what caused his weight to stay so high...

I understand that you're upset based on that and it is ****** without a doubt.

However, I do not believe Chad would be effective at 168 even with the perfect training camp. Just like I do not believe Floyd would be effective at 140 even with the perfect training camp.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

I understand that you're upset based on that and it is ****** without a doubt.

However, I do not believe Chad would be effective at 168 even with the perfect training camp. Just like I do not believe Floyd would be effective at 140 even with the perfect training camp.

Yes, thats very possible of course, but of course as long as we're doing it I wanted to do it to the best of our ability...in cases like that? Honestly? I dont care anything about science and what was learned in a classroom...enzymes and electrolytes etc etc...the voice of actual experience MUST be heeded in those situations, Im telling you...and you know who had a real bead on the whole thing, almost like he was right there in camp with us as a fly on the wall?? VIRGIL HUNTER. I read an interview with him a week or so before the fight and I'm like, "This guy REALLY gets it. He knows what he is talking about, it's like he's reading my mind. He knows the situation Chad is in and knows exactly what it is doing to him. He's seemingly inside the mind of the person who is responsible for Chad making weight, reading his every intention and thought. Unfortunately for us, he is also training the guy we're about to fight. So that's bad news."