Austin Trout talks options if he beats Canelo; Mayweather, move to 160.

[Bushbaby]

So you're rooting for Mayweather to beat Trout? If it comes off.

What?? Hell naw.

[IronDanHamza]

I always go for the underdog Iron Dan. Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto and The Ghost are the fights I'm gonna get from Floyd. I can't change it. It may be lying to myself but what other choice do I have?

Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks".

Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things.

This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio.

You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed.

You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed.

You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure"

It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley.

So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed.

I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems.

You can't have it both ways.

[BafanaBafana]

again, I truly believe the Margarito, Williams, Cotto things were bad timing. I said in the post above that there is no excuse for the Pac fight but I do think those other things were bad timing. The problem is fans want things when they want it. They want things now but I dont think a guy should do something now if its not the right time for it.

Floyd was not the same guy at WW at that time then he was later on. He was such a small/weak WW early on. NO one is going to convince me that he wouldnt have been way more open to those fights at the time he fought Mosley. He was a more filled out guy then.

Just look at the Cotto fight people. Look at how Floyd fought him. He went at Cotto and fought toe to toe. It had nothing to do with Cotto going through wars. It had to do with Floyd being phsyically differnt and with a different mindset. If Floyd fought guys like Cotto & Margarito back in the day he wouldve ran all fight.

They couldve bullied him. He was that weak and didnt have that mindset. By time the Mosley fight came around, there wasnt any WW that was goign to bully him in the ring. Even if Cotto & Margarito were primed, he wouldve been way more open to it at that point.

Now that is still no full excuse because its just like Im saying now about 154, Floyd shouldve gave up the belts and went down in weight. He didnt belong at WW then. He just didnt. He hurt his career alot with these jumps in weight and he would never go back down.

The funny part is that he wouldve got killed for moving down just like he's getting killed now if he doesnt fight at 154

I don't know about you, but to me that's cherrypicking... picking and choosing the easiest opponents and avoid the most dangerous: (see: Mayweather v. Baldomir; Margarito had been calling Floyd for a while but Floyd argued no one knew him so he fought Baldomir instead). The guy also took a convenient temporary vacation when Margarito, Williams, Pac, and Cotto were all primed at welterweight.

By the way, about Floyd at 154, (be honest) what do you think people would say if Martinez went up to super middleweight sporadically and fought guys like Abraham, Taylor, Stieglitz but refused to fight Ward, Froch, and Kessler? Or if Matthysse/Rios went up to welterweight just to fight Malinaggi and refused to fight any of the other welterweights.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks".

Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things.

This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio.

You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed.

You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed.

You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure"

It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley.

So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed.

I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems.

You can't have it both ways.

That 1punchko dude and pac boy are the same way. Look at my sig.

[Bushbaby]

Yeah, but, these weren't hopefuly underdog picks these were "He is going to win or struggle picks".

Rooting for the underdog and picking the underdog are two different things.

This wasn't like picking Margarito to beat Pacquaio.

You picked Mosley to beat Mayweather before the fight was signed and you said Mayweather should fight Cotto before the fight was signed.

You also said Guererro and Alexander will give Mayweather hell before the fight was signed.

You also said "Ortiz will beat Mayweather, all he has to do is pressure"

It's not like you're just going with the underdog you're going out your way to pick these guys, making threads - Cotto, Ortiz and being adament on victory - Mosley.

So what you're saying doesn't really stick because these aren't the "Best you're going to get from Floyd" because you're making the picks and asking the the fights before they are even signed.

I just can't see how you can consider fights to be "Easy fights" and "Doesn't take risks" when the guys he fights, you pick to either beat him or give him problems.

You can't have it both ways.

I did call for Cotto and Mosley and I also gave Floyd his just dues there. I also liked the Ortiz match, but face it, that fight ended sour. And I also prefer the Ghost over canelo right now and stand by that.

[IronDanHamza]

I did call for Cotto and Mosley and I also gave Floyd his just dues there. I also liked the Ortiz match, but face it, that fight ended sour. And I also prefer the Ghost over canelo right now and stand by that.

I know you did and that's exactly my point

You called for the Cotto and Mosley fights.

You liked the Ortiz fight.

It's fair to say that you think Guererro is one of the best options for Mayweather right now and a legit fight, correct?

You recently said Alexander will give Mayweather hell (Hypothetically, if that fight happens which is possible)

So how, in your eyes, are these easy fights with no risk involved in you yourself are calling for them and liking them and giving the opponent very good chances of either winning or atleast causing big problems for Mayweather?

It doesn't make sense and like I said, you simply can't have it both ways.

You can't call for the fight, give the opponent a good chance of winning before the fight then after the fight consider is "Easy" and "Not a risk".

[Bushbaby]

I know you did and that's exactly my point

You called for the Cotto and Mosley fights.

You liked the Ortiz fight.

It's fair to say that you think Guererro is one of the best options for Mayweather right now and a legit fight, correct?

You recently said Alexander will give Mayweather hell (Hypothetically, if that fight happens which is possible)

So how, in your eyes, are these easy fights with no risk involved in you yourself are calling for them and liking them and giving the opponent very good chances of either winning or atleast causing big problems for Mayweather?

It doesn't make sense and like I said, you simply can't have it both ways.

You can't call for the fight, give the opponent a good chance of winning before the fight then after the fight consider is "Easy" and "Not a risk".

There are risks in every fight. They're also the fights i'm likely to get from Floyd. So like I told you before, I have to make the most of that.

Floyd/Alexander is far less riskier than the winner of canelo/Trout. But since it's far more likely that Floyd fights the less riskier fight, I'll make my case with what I get.

[Mushashi]

dont put me in that catagory. 1st of all Trout is bigger. 2nd, I was speaking of both of them. I feel the same way about them both.

Its everyone else who contradicts themselves. They like to have it both ways so if Floyd wins its nothing. If you look at the Canelo-Trout face to face, its night & day with Floyd. They are much bigger. Again, if he fights them then great but I dont think he has to fight them.

Its the same about everything. Everyone thinks Floyd-Ghost is a joke yet if Ghost fights anyone else from 135-147 its a great fight. There isnt one person from WW on down that Floyd can fight right now without getting ripped yet nearly any other fight at 140-147 are great fights no matter who the matchup is.

He's being penalyzed for being too good. He only comes into the ring at 150 yet isnt allowed to fight anyone at 140-147. He has to fight these huge guys that are an inch away from the MW division or he's a coward. Meanwhile everyone is ok with those same guys not even going up 1 divison let alone 5

Great post.

[IronDanHamza]

There are risks in every fight. They're also the fights i'm likely to get from Floyd. So like I told you before, I have to make the most of that.

Floyd/Alexander is far less riskier than the winner of canelo/Trout. But since it's far more likely that Floyd fights the less riskier fight, I'll make my case with what I get.

That's a vague way of looking at it. Every fight is a risk but there are what's looked at is a fighter taking a genuine risk and not so much of one.

They weren't fights likely to get from Floyd, not in your eyes. You didn't expect Mayweather to fight Mosley or Cotto. You went out your way on numerous occasions pleading for him to take those fights.

I know you give credit for those fights or supposedly you do but then in the next post you say "He only takes easy fights and doesn't take risks". Well, those statments can't co-exist.

In your opinion, regardless to the fact their are better fights out there, Ortiz, Guererro and Alexander all "give Mayweather hell"

I don't see how it makes any sense that in your eyes, fighters who will "Give Mayweather hell" are easy fights and risk free.

It's got to be one or the other, from your point of view.

[Ray*]

I think he should stay at 154 if he isn't having trouble making weight, he can try and unify but I hope he stays active no matter what, he shouldn't think he is now the man with all the ace in his hands like Timothy Bradley thought after 'beating' Pacquiao.