All Time Great Or Great For His Era?

[The Big Dunn]

I would take off Toney and McCallum. Great fighters but not ATG.

Ricardo Lopez "possibly"? I think it's safe to say he's an ATG.

As much as I like toney -I dont think his career is as accompliahed as ricardo lopez.

[IronDanHamza]

Ricardo Lopez is only the 3rd fighter in the history of boxing to retire undefeated. He fought 52 times and defended his title a record 26 times.

I think it's safe to say he's an ATG....lol

The other 2 fighters who retired undefeated aren't ATG's either IMO.

All you listed is stats. Stat's don't equal anything and don't always mean anything.

Sven Ottke retired undefeated, defended his title 21 times. He's not an ATG.

Ricardo Lopez resume is not ATG calibur to me, I'm willing to listen to your argument for why it is.

"Being undefeated, having 52 wins and defending his title 26 times" means nothing to me.

Title defenses can often by worhtless. Virgil Hill has plenty of Title defenses too.

[IronDanHamza]

As much as I like toney -I dont think his career is as accompliahed as ricardo lopez.

How so? Out of curiosity.

Do you think Ricardo Lopez has a better resume than James Toney?

[Truth]

I'd personally have to list James Toney as an all time great. I think James could have been great in any era, very skilled tough as nails fighter. James Toney's only problem was he had conditioning issues, burger king burger king! That was his downfall.

[Kagami Taiga]

Ricardo Lopez is only the 3rd fighter in the history of boxing to retire undefeated. He fought 52 times and defended his title a record 26 times.

I think it's safe to say he's an ATG....lol

the problem with lopez is he never beat a great fighter. never beat even a really good fighter. the best fighter he beat was alvarez and he didnt have an easy time of doing that. and alvarez was just a quality world level fighter.

[Barry Halls]

Certainly there's more than 3 fighters that retired undefeated? Must be hundreds.
Are you talking about a legit CHAMP to retire undefeated?

I don't think Ricardo Lopez resume is enough to warrant ATG. A beauty to watch though.
Not sure about Toney either but he's closer. He could definitely sneak in, as i don't have a list ready to publish, but he's probably the last of the bunch.

For TS: Yes, Roy is definitely an ATG.

[IronDanHamza]

I'd personally have to list James Toney as an all time great. I think James could have been great in any era, very skilled tough as nails fighter. James Toney's only problem was he had conditioning issues, burger king burger king! That was his downfall.

It depends how you judge an All Time great.

If being an ATG is "Can they be great in any era and perform well in any area" as you put it then Lopez is an ATG.

To me, being an ATG is more about who you beat, your resume. Of course skills comes into it, but I put more emphasis on what they achieved in their careers. And in that case, I don't think Lopez is an ATG or atleast not a clear one.

Not saying either is right or wrong and of course both can intertwine.

[Truth]

It depends how you judge an All Time great.

If being an ATG is "Can they be great in any era and perform well in any area" as you put it then Lopez is an ATG.

To me, being an ATG is more about who you beat, your resume. Of course skills comes into it, but I put more emphasis on what they achieved in their careers. And in that case, I don't think Lopez is an ATG or atleast not a clear one.

Not saying either is right or wrong and of course both can intertwine.

Thats a good point, it really depends on how somebody looks at it. The problem with the past 20 years is, the competition wasn't as strong as it was in previous years. But I wouldn't hold it against someone who didn't rank fighters from the past 20 years as highly as fighters from the past.

[The Big Dunn]

How so? Out of curiosity.

Do you think Ricardo Lopez has a better resume than James Toney?

i think toneys resume is excellent. I think Ricardo's length of dominance is more impressive. I think in cases of fighters like hagler and Lopez, their lack of moving up isn't a negative or diminishes them in any way.

[New England]

All time greats who were active between from 1993-present (Not for what they did in that time span, just who had a fight in that time span)

Pernell Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Evander Holyfield
Roy Jones Jr
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Bernard Hopkins
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Mike McCallum

Ricardo Lopez possibly.

Think that's it, IMO. May have missed somone.

lennox lewis for sure. top 10 HW and top 100 all time. foreman beat moorer in the mid 90's, right? i'd claim to know the year without checking the boxrec, but i was flippin less than 10 years old when that sh#t was going down

94-95 sounds right. i remember comeback george clearly, wolfing down burgers on TV.


duran's old bones fought in the 90's, too.